Taboo! Equal Partners Does NOT Erase Presiding

Is The Family Proclamation Too Controversial To Canonize? — Why I don't think it ever will be They Did This To The Godhead Too — How the same thinking that made the Trinity is dissolving the family The most avoided line in the Family Proclamation We've spent 30 years explaining what it's not. Let's answer the question The postmodern virus in the Family Proclamation debate Equal Partners Does NOT Erase Presiding

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presiding is not what it used to be.
It's not what it was meant in 1995 when the family proclamation came out. In fact, it's rarely spoken about unless
there are severe qualifications on it and unless it's watered down into equal partnership. So, I want to talk about
this. It's very clear in the family proclamation exactly what this means and what it is. But you you hear nothing but
kind of well crickets on the topic itself and if it has to be brought up then it becomes very slippery in the way
people that are are talking about it and it's a problem. It is a real problem in our culture even within the church when
we remove man's purpose from him and we end up with a bunch of drifters. Just
saw a stat today that has in the US 25% of all young younger men
1 minuteare hooked on porn and or gambling if no 25% are gambling and on porn. gambling
and on porn. And the more we pull the purpose away from them, their purpose of what they need to be and how they are
fulfilled and we emasculate them and we masculineize women instead, which is exactly what we are doing, then the more
we're going to have problems with men, the fewer men there are going to be for women to choose from, and the the family completely falls apart. And this is what
we're warned about. We are warned about this specific thing and yet we try to ignore it. Well, we do ignore
it. And and this goes all the way up through say for example academics and those that are really good people that I've had on this show, great people that
are in the family sciences that discuss these things, but man that when it comes to this, this is like the taboo topic.
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to our topic now. Presiding the men's role of presiding is completely disappearing. And this is
obvious throughout cult with our culture more broadly, right? We've got the culture in the US as an example in the west and then we've got the culture
inside the church. And so often what we see is the church culture simply follows what Babylon is doing. It's the same
thing. The difference is is that we we we move to a uh we're just maybe 10 years behind it. Five years maybe now.
We're catching up pretty fast. So we're moving just behind where the the culture moves to. Especially when it comes to family and issues that are all around
the family. So many issues, political issues, cultural issues, social issues are are in the
in the ether politically and socially because because they're all coming down to the family. It has to do with our own
identity. What is a man? What is a woman? Right? Our our gender. This is all the family proclamation. It comes
down to marriage. Marriage is being pushed off more and more. It's about having kids. The fertility rate, the birth rate is dropping through the floor
in the west. Everywhere in the world actually, but especially in the west, we're at 1.6 in the below 1.6 in the US
right now. So all of these things come together and this is where it all gets focused on is is with the family. There
are also in the family proclamation roles for a man and roles for a woman.
primary roles that we need to go over and and understand. That doesn't mean that this is not can't be adapted or or
changed in some way if it's necessary based on circumstances, of course, but we don't teach anymore. I
mean, let's be honest, we don't teach traditional roles anymore. And yet, it's right there in the Family Proclamation.
And when these things were written by the 15 men that signed on this document, only two of them are left. You have
President Oaks and President Irene. I believe that's it.
Then then their intent on this is what they saw coming down the pipe
and it has come. It is here and we're not sticking to our guns. So, that's
kind of what I want to talk about and and and what's really happening here because it's terrible for men and it's terrible for women
and and I think we need to try and get back to our roots here on on things and and and and put the divine design of the
family back in place. I I think it's a very difficult hill to climb, but I think it needs to be stated. We we need
to talk about this a lot more. What is presiding and whose job is it primarily?
That's what this is all about. Now in the family proclamation, this is this is what we get. This is the phrase. By
divine design, divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and
righteousness. Obviously, that's key in love and righteousness. But fathers are to preside.
And this is by divine design. This is not from the prophets. This is not from a church policy.
This is from God. Right? This is divine design. This is the order of the family.
And often times I'll hear uh you know, you'll hear some certain loud voices that come up and say, you know, this
isn't right. This is misogynist. No, it's not misogynist.
We're we're we're so thrown into a world of victor victim and oppressor that we we use words like this like preside all
the time and we see it as bad. It is authoritative and anything that has any type of authority or power is evil and
therefore we're going to fight it. We're going to break it down. We're going to critique it and get rid of it. Everything needs to be the same. Right?
I'm going to go into this several examples of where this has really been tragic and where uh even in history it
has destroyed the nature of God. This type of thinking. Okay. Um this language in the proclamation is very deliberate.
You've got presiding, providing and protecting. The three things that the three Ps that we get in the
proclamation. But there's a cultural removal of these responsibilities. And let's make sure we understand this. This
is not about rights. This is not someone's rights. That's how we look at all of these things. That's how we fight
today. It's about our rights. And we don't talk about our duties or our responsibilities.
This is a man's responsibility.
And whether you like it or not, he is going to be accountable before God for presiding, for providing, and for protecting.
And that, I believe, for a man needs to be his primary focus when it comes to these responsibilities.
They are not your rights. We're not fighting for rights as as we've come to be so accustomed to in our political atmosphere.
No, they they are responsibilities that are uh assigned by God and every man is
going to be responsible for this. And if he is paying attention and understands what's happening in the initiatories, he is responsible.
The women don't have the same responsibility.
So men, if you are delving that out, if you're moving those responsibilities over to your wife or to others and you
10 minutestake a passive role in this, just understand when you go through those initiatories that you are responsible for the blood
of your generation, the blood and sin of your generation.
And and and it's through your priesthood work. And that includes your patriarchal priesthood. In fact, primarily it's your your your patriarchal priesthood.
You are responsible for that above all and you will be accountable.
So a culture that moves those away from you, it doesn't matter. The culture doesn't give you the rights. The culture doesn't give you the responsibilities.
God gives those to you. It is by divine design.
And so you are going to be accountable before God for those things. Now in the
family proclamation, it it's interesting what we get there because it's the paragraph before we get into the gender roles of of the proclamation.
It's talking about rearing children and nurturing children and loving children, having children and loving them. Right?
This is all really simple stuff. It goes back to Genesis.
It all goes back to Genesis. Men are to work by the sweat of their brows that they're to provide and protect, right? And and they're going to preside.
It talks about that as well. We get the word rule in there. That's not really the way we understand it. That's more of
a word that is used with kingship. Um but you know, King Benjamin is a righteous king. He's a servant king,
which is what men need to be. They need to serve their wives and serve their children and bring them up and lead them in righteousness. But in that paragraph,
it says at the end of that paragraph about bringing up children, it says, "Husbands and wives, mothers and fathers
12 minuteswill be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations, right? They will be held." And then it
goes right into the following paragraph into the gender roles that are in the family proclamation. And and I'm going to repeat this. Here's what it says.
It's really simple to understand unless you've listened to commentary and people pulling this apart, critiquing it and
and changing the the the definitions. It says, "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness.
It's really clear.
Okay, really clear. And then it says, "And they are responsible to provide the necess necessities of life and
protection for their families." Okay? And then it goes to a mother's primary responsibilities. Mothers are
primarily responsible for the nurture of their children.
In these sacred responsibilities, right, by divine design, fathers and mothers are obligated by
whom? Well, they're obligated by divine design. They're obligated to help one another. And then here's what everybody loves to repeat. As equal partners.
Well, of course, equal partners, of course, they're equal. There is no difference in value. The man is nothing without the woman.
And the woman is nothing without the man. That is how it works. But their primary responsibilities are different.
Men are to preside, provide and protect.
Women are to nurture their children. How do you work together as equal partners?
The man where necessary helps support the woman in her primary responsibilities.
And a woman when necessary helps support the man in his primary responsibilities.
They support each other in these roles as equal partners. And what do we do with this? What have we done? Because of
the verbiage, because of the narrative that exists in our postmodern, our we'll call it a critical pro postmodern world.
We we water everything down on those primary roles. We do. Absolutely. I mean, how often do you hear from any
pulpit anywhere in the church about focus women focusing on being mothers and nurturing their children?
Where do you hear about men without massive qualifications and and and a lot of the qualifications
end up being the equal partners portion of the of this paragraph where men are supposed to be presiding providing and protecting.
We're we're we're we're tearing it down, right? But we are tearing these definitions down that is have been given
to us by divine design and we end up lowering everything from
what we have with a primary gender roles all the way down to well we're just equal partners. We're all the same,
right? Everything is the same. It's the same idea as as transgenderism. Men can be women and women can be men.
It's the exact same foundation in that type of thought. It's all the same. It's the exact same foundation of thought
that emasculates men and talks about their toxic masculinity while at the same time
supporting and advocating for women being more masculine and taking on more masculine roles and we go along with it.
Hard to understand, but that's that's true, right? That's that's what we're doing. So you've got a a world here
where every time presiding is brought up, it it's absolute qualification. Everything has to be qualified immediately. Right?
Presiding does not mean dominating. Presiding does not mean coercing.
Presiding does not mean that a wife is inferior. I mean all these things are true. But we always have to put this in there because of the idea we have in our
mind about victim and oppressor and about power from postmodernism.
We think we're dealing with a position of power and not a position of responsibility and service.
And that's the problem.
It does not mean that a husband makes every decision. It does not mean the family is a corporation with a president
and a vice president. It does not mean the father may disregard his wife's judgment. It does not mean abuse,
tyranny, selfishness, unilateral rule, or the domestic restoration of Genghask Kong. I'm just taking this from my article. Yeah, that's right. It doesn't.
None of those things matter. But we always water everything down about presiding. We love to say what it's not.
Here's a question. What is it? What is it?
We focus so much when we have to address presiding with men. We focus so much on whittling it down to nothing.
But we don't talk about what it is, right? And that and that's a real problem. So men are like, "What? I don't understand. Well, I can't do any of
this. This must be presiding. Oh, presiding is bad. It's so associated as a as a euphemism for domination that
all of a sudden p you know presiding is a bad thing. Think about what we do with mothers and nurturing. Even we don't even bring that up much anymore because
oh is that really all a woman is worth is is what she her relationship with her kids.
But we don't talk about that. We don't talk about the devouring mother. We don't talk about how she nurtures. Well, uh, let's qualify nurturing here, right?
You can't be a helicopter mother, a helicopter parent. You can't be destructive in how you bring up your
kids. You can't bring, you know, uh, uh, make them privileged, too privileged.
You can nurture as long as you're not giving them an iPad at two years old.
You can do this, you can do that, but don't do this, don't do that. But we don't take that precious motherhood
and and and annihilate it with qualifications. But we do it with men all the time.
Happens all the time. And why is that?
again because you have critical theory that we are are a big part of now stemming from from the you know the
early to mid 20th century throughout our academy all of our universities and critical theory just basically says
there's a victim and there's an oppressor and we have to see everything in those roles if a man is presiding he's an he's abusive he's oppressing
over his wife and and and it's so important to understand um what I call the servant king role and and and you see Mormon
bring this up in a great way. This is part of what we go over in the words of Tiana and he juxtaposes pres uh uh present he
juxtapoes king Benjamin with King Noah. That's what he's doing the difference.
King Benjamin who wielded a sword and and fought off, you know, very masculine, manly guy, uh, also was
humble and served his people and tried to bring righteousness to his people
because he was responsible for the blood and sin of his generation.
He says that and and men are responsible in that way. That's why I use the term servant king.
You are responsible for your family with those things. And King Noah, of course, is just the opposite. He's taking that
role and he's abusing it. But but not everyone's a King Noah. In fact, I would suggest that in the church, most men lean a lot more toward King Benjamin.
And you know what? My experience, and I've been around a while, is that in the church, women want their husbands to lead more.
They don't want everything thrown on them within the home. all the responsibilities what it was family prayer family scripture study
uh um um family dinner and discussion uh ideas for for how to bring the family closer together leading them in
righteousness that that's been my experience and I think with a lot of you I think you would see the same thing they wish the
men would lead more preside more not less but we're allowing ing others to
take this and completely destroy this concept, this idea, this divine design of presiding. And you look at the other
two Ps and you've got providing and protecting. Well, with providing, men are already losing that. They are in
competition now in the West with women for jobs.
There are more women working in the United States than there are men.
that that now if you're talking about a family that's going to be built by divine design, that is a problem. You're going to have issues. You're going to
have fewer marriages. You're going to have fewer kids. And everything that that builds and pro provides for a society is going to crumble.
Sorry, that's just the way it's going to be. and and and I would suggest that we're going to move closer to a 60/40 on this just like we have throughout
academia or or universities and the attendance there of of students. It's almost 6040
in all every case going through uh undergrad, masters and and PhD.
Women are 6040.
That's not good for women. Oh, but you're empowering them. Anything to do to empower them and put them into a
career is great, right? I mean, is that what we teach within our church?
Um, women and men, there is there are more marriages that happen with those that do
go through at least undergrad. More marriages happen, but fewer kids are born from those couples because there's
a larger percentage of those women that are going into careers and that requires for you to have fewer kids or no kids.
And that's what we're moving toward.
Now, of course, other philosophies that are entering into the church, things like abortion and practices like that that are more and more, if you look
online, there's more and more people that are supportive of abortion within the church. We just did an episode on
this a couple days ago, and that's concerning, but again, it's anti-family.
It's anti-motherhood and anti-fatherhood. and and and why would we support this?
And not only that, why are we adding to it as we remove the ideas of gender roles and and try and take away as much
as we can the responsibility and divine calling of men and put it over to women
instead who are almost yearly less and less happy in the world
as we're doing this. But hey, we're selling them the lie. We're selling them the great lie. Postmodernism is another
issue that comes up with this because that helps redefine words through literary criticism. Uh
Jacqu Dera, who is one of the fathers of postmodernism, said uh he was over at UCI and at the
end of his career, he said, "You know what? I've dedicated my career to putting a virus into language basically and and and changing meaning and words
and see because there is no objective truth. And once you have no objective truth, then all there is is power.
It's it's your truth versus my truth.
And who is going to have the most power to push your truth over the other truths? That's what postmodernism is.
and and not everything about it but that's that's a major portion of of postmodernism. It it creates a power struggle and therefore again presiding
becomes an issue of power not a not an issue of responsibility and love and and and accountability with God.
Equal partnership does not erase the role of presiding for men.
That that is wrong and and I can say that confidently.
You can say it confidently. I I don't believe that any uh any anyone any any prophet or anybody else if they were
directly asked are they might qualify it but are men supposed to preside in the family?
I mean with the family proclamation it's pretty hard to go against that and to say that say say something different
right. I I feel very confident in being in stating yes men are to preside in their families. That is not evil. That is proper.
26 minutesNow, that that doesn't take away from women in in in the slightest, but men are supposed to lead.
Okay?
I there are so many other things that I could go over, but I've already coming up on the time that I had set aside for this. Um,
so you take away presiding With our current philosophies of men and women, philosophies of men and women, we have
uh changed the economy and technology has done this as well. In fact, technology is the primary catalyst to changing the economy where women are
have more and more jobs. Um it we're taking away the provision, the providing that men are supposed to give.
And then of course protecting modernity simply doesn't require the same kind of protection from a man that it used to
you know even a hundred years ago or 200 years ago. So we're in a position where presiding is being removed,
providing is being removed and protection has been removed. And so now where do men go? What do I do? What is my purpose? I guess I'll turn to gaming.
I guess I'll turn to porn. Where do I go with this world? Women are smarter, I guess. They're they're they're more of them go to college. More of them
graduate with bachelors and masters and and PhDs.
So, where do we go? And this isn't a matter of victimhood.
It It's a matter of of the dissolution of the family and the divine design of God.
Do we support this? Do we advocate for this? Do young women's teachers and and and presidents
help support young women in becoming mothers and wives or is that taboo now like it is in academia?
Is that taboo?
There's nothing in the young women's theme that talks about becoming a mother, right? It it's
I I it is what it is. I I don't know what to say about it, but we ought to try and recover the meaning of presiding
for men in that family proclamation. Go back and look at it. It's very very clear,
but talk and reaction around it tries to take it away from the primary roles and
put it simply down in the equal partnership. You know who else did this with something very important to the nature of God?
The neoplatanists did this. They took a father and a son and a holy ghost and they said, "We don't want the distinctions.
We'll just give them a persona, so to speak, a few different attributes, but we're going to meld them all into one,
an equal partnership, where where man, you know, same ideas. Man is not a man and a woman is not a woman.
A man can be a woman, a woman can be a man. The father can be the son, the son can be the father, and the holy ghost can mix itself in there as well, and we end up with a trinity.
It's the same thing. It It is a disintegration of order. It is a disintegration of divine design.
And And are we supporting that? I I know a I mean, I know a lot of members that do. I know a lot of members that do.
And I don't think that we speak up enough about talking about these things because we're afa afraid of the reaction or you know what maybe I'm on the wrong
side of history in this history has nothing to do with it. Culture has nothing to do with it.
All right. It it's is this from God and is this the way to build a family?
And and are families necessary? Yeah.
How important are they? and how important are they to the church and to society?
So, what are your thoughts on presiding? Put them in the comments. Are we sliding
away from this meaning or even not just the meaning but just actually removing the gender roles that are in the family proclamation?
Honestly, I believe that we will not make the family proclamation. We will not canonize it for this very reason.
that one reason because of the gender roles in there because I think it's so so it's such a
lightning rod in our culture and it's going to become a bigger and bigger issue
as as men and women become less and less together and they're pushed to becoming
more and more the same in our society.
It's hard to be a bridgeuer.
Not saying it's impossible, but it's hard to be be a bridgeuer with the culture, with Babylon.
And also stick to your guns in in truth and order. It's not an easy thing to do,
but but we got to do it. We got to figure that out. And for men, men need to grab that responsibility righteously.
They need to repossess it if they have lost it. Repossess presiding, providing and protection.
That is your responsibility. Thanks for listening.