'Law - Judgement - Grace'
- We have all partaken of the fruit
- We are subject to the law and its consequences
- Grace 'Covers' the law
- Both Trees are necessary
Paul's orchestration of Faith, Works & Grace, along with 'The Law' and Judgement, can be seen in the story of the Garden of Eden.
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LDS Mormon New Testament Romans Bible
in this episode we discuss the law and
how it creates justice and how justice
requires grace here we go okay in this
episode we're going to cover Romans
chapter 7 through 11 we will follow up
in the following episode with chapters
12 through 16 and finish off Romans and
here starting off in chapter 7 Paul he
uses a comparison between a man and a
woman in marriage to the law and the
spirit of the law which would be works
and faith or works and grace and how
were to perceive these two sides of
things and he makes this comparison he
says look if a woman is married to a man
than she is tied to that man in the
bonds of matrimony under the law but if
the man dies then she is free from that
man and can marry another man and he
uses that example as the law and
primarily the law of Moses but again
we're gonna expand on that a little bit
it's really the law of God but now the
Christians here he's saying I can move
beyond the law of Moses or the law of
God and can move toward grace and faith
and offer faith in the atonement which
has now taken place so he says this in
verse sex here and this is in chapter 7
but now we are delivered from the law
that being dead wherein we were held
that we should serve in newness of
spirit not in the oldness of the letter
so again we have that letter of the law
and the spirit of the law now try to
remember who it was but one of the
Apostles and
years back was giving a talk about this
and he still said look we need to follow
the letter of the law we try hard to
follow the letter of law but we see what
it but we look forward to what it
provides for us and what its purpose is
so Paul now is saying look in Judaism
we've only had the letter of the law and
we haven't even looked at it right we
haven't looked at it as a forward to
Jehovah becoming Jesus Christ but now
that the atonement is effectuated we
need to focus on faith and on the grace
that has been provided by God and
therefore we need to focus more on the
spirit of the law and not just the
letter of the law because the letter of
the law on its own is dead right as I've
said many times it just it eats in on
itself if it doesn't have something to
look forward to so it's the spirit of
the law that needs to be focused on here
and we can go back again we can so many
times in the scriptures I think we
forget to use the primary example of the
creation and the Garden of Eden remember
this is the core of our theology is the
fall and the atonement the sacrifice and
resurrection of Jesus Christ and so if
we look at those two things we can say
okay partaking of the tree of knowledge
of good and evil that is partially a
representation of the law that's what
provides the letter of the law
that's what opens our eyes because B we
have the law in front of us we can see
what's right and what's wrong we have
opposites as Lehi says there must be
opposition in all things we have context
we are become like the gods in that
sense and yet what are we trying to do
now that we have all partaken of the
fruit because we have all partaken of
the fruit we are now in mortality and we
are subject to the law and of course if
we have the fullness of the gospel then
even
more so we've had a complete feast of
the fruit of the knowledge of the tree
of the knowledge of good and evil but
we're still what we're trying to do now
is get back to the other tree we're
trying to get back to the Tree of Life
and who is the life and the light and
the way it is Jesus Christ he is the
other tree so to speak and the
atonement the sacrifice and the
resurrection are the other tree so you
have the law on one side with a tree of
knowledge of good and evil but now we
have to try and get back with that law
that we have we have to now work our way
back to the Tree of Life and rely on
that Tree of Life that faith in the
atonement so the fall and the atonement
and by the way what is placed in front
of the Tree of Life between these two
trees let's say we partake into the
fruit of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil and now something's been
put in front of the Tree of Life right
to guard us to keep us away from it what
is that it's judgment it's judgment the
sword and the cherubim which is plural
angels basically is placed there or they
are placed there in front of the tree of
knowledge or the Tree of Life because
they are judgment and we can't get by
them it's impossible for us to get by
them without the atonement without the
Savior and so the atonement allows us to
make our way through that pathway to
arrive at the Tree of Life into to
experience the fullness of the grace of
God and he does explain that a little
bit here in verse 7 he says what shall
we say then is the law sin he says god
forbid nay I had not known sin but by
the law so again I mean you have to
have the law in place you have ever
taken of the fruit for I had not known
lust except the law
said thou shalt not covet in other words
the law knowing the law of anything of
any of the commandments we now know that
something that is wrong and therefore
because we're not perfect we're going to
sin right that's what he says in verse
eight and in verse nine again this is
Garden of Eden language he says for I
was alive without the law once so think
of yourself in a state before mortality
before you are given the knowledge of
good and evil before the law is given to
you and you are then as he says here for
I was alive without the law once but
when the commandment came sin revived
and I died what happens with Adam after
he what is he told he's told that in the
day that he / takes of the fruit that he
is surely going to die and that is both
a physical death through mortality and a
spiritual death through mortality
because it separates us from God what
separates us from God well it's the same
thing that brings us back which is the
law so I had given an example in in one
of the episodes that I've done on
covenant called cutting a covenant and I
use the word cleave cleave means both to
separate right to pull apart just like
in the fall and it means to grab on to
to bring back together it's the same
it's both sides and that's what this is
this is all about covenant and so the
law brings us it severs us in that
relationship from God because we sin but
it is also what we are trying to follow
to become like him and to work our way
back through obedience it's just that we
fall short and down toward the end of
the chapter here in 7 he uses our
bodies as a representation of the law
and of sin and then our spirit or our
minds as an example of our spirituality
and so he says this in 22 for I delight
in the law of God after the
in word men or our minds our hearts our
spirit but I see another law in my
members warring against the law of my
mind so this is you know it's like the
the little devil and the little
angel sitting on our shoulders our
bodies are naturally what hold us back
unless we can master them and that's
part of what we're supposed to do if you
think about the creation story where
there is a void and the deep and chaos
basically in place and the light comes
out to it and then organization starts
and there is creation begins that's the
idea with our spirit in our own bodies
is that we are creating a new creature
we're creating a new man a new woman of
ourselves and so we're bringing together
these two sides of the law so to speak
and the spirit and he says in verse 24 a
wretched man that I am Who Shall deliver
me from the body of this death and again
that's a representation of the lower law
so we think of the sacrament and the
bread that is the lower law that's the
ironic law the carnal law that we have
to have we have to have the law right we
have to have that that is that as a
representation of us trying to reach up
to God and then he says I thank God
through Jesus Christ our Lord so then
with the mind I myself serve the law of
God so with my mind I tried to overcome
my body but with the flesh the law of
sin right so we have to have both we
have to experience sin actually we have
to go through that so that we can repent
and he's gonna talk about this a little
bit more toward the end of this episode
and down in verse 16 here in chapter 8
he makes a very important point and he
ties something together it's our
identity so as he's talking about the
law and our choices our agency he ties
it very wittingly here to us being
children of God sons and daughters of
God and that identity that where we
are like him
and that we can command our own future
he says in verse 16 the spirit itself
beareth witness with our spirit that we
are the children of God and if children
then heirs of God and joint-heirs
with Christ I think that's an important
thing to understand is that Christ is
not just our Savior but he is our
brother and our advocate and so he is
automatically an heir to everything
because he was perfect and for what he
did but he wants to bring all of us
along with him and so he is not just you
know this is how I see it
and anyway is of course he's my
Savior and I worship Him but he is also
my brother and loves me in that sense
that he wants me to come in and be a
joint heir with him to have everything
along with him that is a different
aspect to the relationship that we have
with the Savior than just God and man or
God and woman he wants us to have
everything that he has and we get that
through obedience to the law as best
that we can and through the atonement
and the sacrifice that Jesus made and
down in verse 24 he makes another
important point I think and that is
about hope remember Paul later on is
gonna bring a lot of this together here
in some of the other letters about faith
hope and charity write something that we
also learn about from Mormon and Moroni
and perhaps elsewhere as well I think
that they actually had the same source
is my guess I think that Paul is going
to be pulling with faith hope and
charity from an ancient source that
Mormon is pulling from also but here he
talks about hope just briefly
he says for we are saved by hope how can
we be saved by hope but hope that is
seen is not hope for what a man seeth
why doth he yet hope for so in other
words hope is something that we don't
have and we can't see it it's not
evident to us today it is something that
we desire and something that we are
chasing which is to be a joint heir with
him and it is the faith that we would
have in the atonement in the sacrifice
and in the resurrection that would
produce the hope right so that is a I
believe it's I call it an attribute of
progression I think that it is the faith
that we have in Jesus Christ produces
hope it produces an idea of where we can
go and that actually that faith and hope
then will produce charity that produces
the love of God that we try to have
inside of us and then over in chapter 9
here now and by the way as I'm going
through here I'm reading the King James
Version here I this has come up several
times about whether or not looking at
another translation of the Bible it
might be a good thing some people have
asked that question to me actually quite
a bit I would recommend it I think that
you know I know that the
Brethren use other translations of time
they've quoted other translations from
the pulpit and it's not something
we're necessarily we want to just use
another translation and it's important
that as church members together that we
have the same version that we can quote
and talk about and be on the same page
so therefore in class we can all
reference the same scriptures I think
that's kind of important not to mention
the fact that the language of the
Doctrine and Covenants and of the Book
of Mormon are in a King James
Version type of English and so I think
that's important for us to keep as an
anchor but I'll tell you what I do is
I'll go through and I will now read I
used to just rely on the NRSV is what I
did n RSV and now I also use Thomas
Wayment’s translation for Latter day
Saints which is sold at Deseret book
and online on Amazon etc what I'll do is
I actually go through and I read that
and then I come back to the King James
Version and I mark up those scriptures
once I've read that and the reason is is
because the Pauline letters are very
difficult to understand and that's why I
think we don't delve into it and so this
is a way for us to get in a little bit
easier into these letters to understand
them a little bit better there is a lot
of information and biblical scholarship
and additional texts that have been
found talking about actual Greek texts
from the New Testament that are
incorporated into these newer versions
these newer translations so some may
think well if I'm using this translation
it's not as spiritual or it's not right
and that that is not true it's just not
true
now I would not go away from the King
James Version completely but I would
highly recommend that you read first
these if you're following come follow me
go through and read another version the
ESV or the NRSV or Thomas Wayment’s is
great it's a great Study Bible also or
he'll give a lot of footnotes at the end
of each book and an intro into
each one of the letters and so you get a
little bit of more information about a
little more context about these letters
but you'll understand them better you're
going to understand it better with
language that is a little bit more of
what you use every day and so I
would recommend it to do that and then
go back to your King James Version and
mark it up it gives you a better idea in
mind of what is going on and then you
can go to church with your King James
Version and use that having that
background in your mind of what's
happening here because it's very
difficult to understand a lot of this
just my two cents on this so here in
chapter 9 Paul starts to go into the
difference between well basically what
Israel is and how those that are of
Israel are not necessarily all of Israel
in other words Israel is then not just
a lineage or it's the elect of God might
be a better way to determined and so he
says here for example in verse four who
are Israelites to whom pertaineth the
adoption and the glory and the covenants
and the giving of the law and the
service of God and the promises and down
in verse six for they are not all Israel
which are of Israel right so there's an
idea there it's an idea and it is a
group that are the elect of God those
that are going to follow the Covenant
including the new and everlasting
covenant that Paul is bringing to both
Jew and Gentile and he explains it this
way down in verses 31 and 32 but
Israel which followed after the law of
righteousness hath not attained to the
law of righteousness right so they have
fallen short of it again I've been to
die in the priests of Noah right there
same thing they claimed they followed
the law but you can't just follow the
law it never is going to work you have
to have something that you're going to
look forward to you have to have the
healing in the grace of the law over the
law covering that otherwise if
it doesn't have that umbrella there it
doesn't have that blanket of grace
that's going to be over the law it's
going to eat itself it's going to it's
going to disintegrate and it says here
in 31 but Israel which followed after
the law of righteousness hath not
attained to the law of righteousness
wherefore because they sought it not by
faith but as it were by the works of the
law for they stumbled at that
stumbling-stone so here the stumbling
stone is a lack of faith faith in what
faith in the Savior faith in God who
would come down to earth take on the
sins of the world take on a body die and
be resurrected to open up the way for
all of us so without the faith in that
act
and in that mercy the law on its own
can't do anything you can't get there by
merit it won't happen and so the law
becomes on its own without faith in the
Savior the law on its own simply becomes
a master over a slave and a master
over slave in death death through sin
and death through not having a future or
the tree of knowledge of good and evil
without the Tree of Life to move forward
- and so Paul follows this up over in
chapter 10 verse 4 with Christ being the
answer to the law see the law has to
have an answer if there's no answer it
has nowhere to go that's why it's called
dead on its own he says in verse 4 for
Christ is the end of the law for
righteousness to everyone that believeth
so it's conditional it is conditional
for everyone that believeth
but for Christ is the end of the law so
he is the answer so there is an end to
it or in other words it is capped with
Christ it has that looking forward you
have to have that in the law as we look
today not at the law of Moses but if we
as we look at the commandments there has
to be an answer to the commandments
because the commandments on their own
we're going to fall short every single
day so what is the answer to that
because without Christ the answer is
death both spiritually and physically
but with Christ there is an answer to
the commandments and that is hey you're
going to use this manual to try and grow
if you choose to you don't have to it's
completely up to you if you have
been given the commandments and you've
been you've felt the spirit and you know
the truth then you have opportunity and
you can try to grow and to become
something more and you can utilize that
hope through faith but you're not going
to be able to follow it perfectly and
since you can't follow it perfectly
there's an answer to that and that
answer is Christ and it's kind of like
birds gonna kind of pull you along here
you're going to struggle but we're going
to pull you along I'm thinking I'm
saying when I say we I'm talking about
Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ they're
going to kind of pull us along there as
we as we make our way through the
commandments and try to grow and become
something better and there's an
important point that Paul makes here
that I've discovered in the scriptures
and it has to do with faith that he in
in verse 17 it's very short he says so
then faith cometh by hearing so he's
talking about having this faith gaining
this faith so that you can believe in
the answer to the law so there is
something beyond death and sin again so
then faith cometh by hearing and hearing
by the Word of God so the plan is there
are prophets they're going to bring the
Word of God and typically it's done
dispensational II because everything
falls apart the second law of
thermodynamics everything runs downhill
everything disintegrates rusts becomes
corrupted and so a new dispensation is
brought in things are built up the
fullness of the priesthood the
ordinances are given we try to preach
that and have everybody follow that and
make sure that that the truth is put out
there and then the world caves in on it
eventually over time perhaps quickly and
sometimes takes a little bit longer but
it has always caved in and so this last
time it's with Joseph Smith and the Word
of God is brought to us the fullness of
the priesthood the fullness of the
ordinances and that is how we gain faith
is through that
and through that truth a lot of times we
think when I say I've learned something
in the scriptures about this we think
oftentimes that faith comes before
knowledge and that is not true
a greater knowledge a more perfect
knowledge can come through faith but
knowledge precedes faith it has to the
Word of God comes to us and then we
plant that seed as Alma says and that
see by the way it's not faith that seed
is the word of God it is knowledge and
so the faith that we put into it is
nurturing that seed so that that can
grow but the seed has to be there first
that's the Word of God that's the
knowledge about things you need to know
who God is and that he had a is perfect
and have some idea of Jesus Christ
before you can put faith in Him you have
to know about the resurrection you have
to know about his attributes you have to
know about Gethsemane you can't have
faith in something you don't know about
so knowledge comes first and Bruce our
McConkie says the same thing knowledge
comes first
faith is applied to that and then that
knowledge can grow so the seed is placed
we nurture the seed which is knowledge
and then that knowledge can grow and
it being starts to bear fruit eventually
but I think that's an important concept
with faith to understand and how the
plan of salvation works we can
understand maybe our testimonies a
little bit more that way and understand
our faith a little bit more that way and
then lastly here in chapter 11 Paul
introduces himself as a Benjamite that
is he's from the tribe of Benjamin he
says this right in verse 1 I say then
hath God cast away his people so this is
the Israel that has not followed the
law even God forbid for I also AM an
Israelite of the seed of Abraham of the
tribe of Benjamin now it would have been
very common for many of the Jews to be
of the tribe of Benjamin why well going
back to about the time of Isaiah so this
is a hundred plus years before the time
of Lehi the Assyrians conquered the
Northern Kingdom of Israel remember that
the two kingdoms were split apart
you had the southern kingdom which was
Judah and the northern kingdom which was
Israel or Ephraim or even Joseph
sometimes called Joseph and that
northern kingdom was hauled away a lot
of the people were hauled away put into
other places dispersed some of them
stayed some of them were maybe able to
come back and they intermixed with other
peoples that the Assyrians had brought
in and that's where we end up with the
Samaritans but that's also where the ten
tribes were so the lost ten tribes were
from that northern kingdom who were the
other two tribes Judah and Benjamin so
those geographic areas were very
close to each other the land that was
given to Judah and to Benjamin and so
those are the two tribes basically it's
probably about half the tribe of
Benjamin actually that was left over Ali
but it's Judah and Benjamin that
were left in the kingdom of Judah and of
course they were hauled away later on to
Babylon and then not all of them some
people remained but then they came
back after the exile from Babylon and
that's who is here in Judea at this time
now Paul remember is in Cilicia he is
not brought up in Jerusalem because a
lot of the Jews here were dispersed also
so his other conquerors came in this is
a very common thing to do they would
basically transplant a number of people
and say hey 100,000 of you you're going
up over here we're gonna build this
civilization over here we're gonna build
some ports over here it's by the ocean
we're gonna build this up and so that
was done quite a bit and that's why Paul
is in Cilicia
then lastly here in chapter 11 Paul
starts to go over Israel again he talks
about Israel and it's foreordained right
both those that actually are descendants
of Abraham Isaac
Jacob which would make you an Israelite
and those that are adopted in but he
talks about the timing and he this goes
back to our whole concept of covenant
that some people that sometimes are
first and sometimes people are last and
it's a matter of working together go
back a few episodes you can see where we
used the example of a Rubik's Cube we're
all given opportunities to help each
other through covenant some of us have
the knowledge of the gospel and so what
we call Ephraim right now which would be
in a sense kind of like the US or the
West that has mostly the gospel we're
bringing this out to the world that's
our job in this in this time before it
was the job of the Israelites and in the
Jews but he talks about the fullness of
the time of the Gentiles this is what he
says in verse 25 for I would not
brethren that she should be ignorant of
this mystery lest he should be wise in
your own conceits that blindness in part
has happened to Israel until the
fullness of the Gentiles be come in so
in this grand plan that the Lord has
there is timing and there is a time for
the fullness of the Gentiles which is
right now and where the Gentiles are
taking the gospel to the world it has
gone to the Gentiles at this time first
to the nations which is mostly the West
and it's our job to bring the gospel to
the world and we can see some of the
covenants that are a little bit closer
together such as Ephraim and Manasseh
where Ephraim would be Europeans that
are taking the gospel to Manasseh which
would be Latin America it is the two
brothers of Joseph the sons of joseph
Ephraim and Manasseh and that covenant
together that they have and where all of
the prophecies of the Book of Mormon
that talk about the Gentiles talk about
this exact thing that the Gentiles that
Ephraim will be bringing the gospel to
their seed to their descendants to
Manasseh and so all of us have a need
for help and that's help amongst each
other and then ultimately help from God
and that is His grace that we have to
have and he ends with this in Chapter 11
with this concept that I think is really
important he says here in verse 32 for
God hath concluded them all in unbelief
that he might have mercy upon all well
why would he want to create a situation
where he has to have mercy well because
that's how it works we have to go
through sin so that we can have a broken
heart and a contrite spirit so that we
can have faith and hope so that we can
rely upon His mercy and His grace we are
always indebted we can never earn our
way back up to be at an equally
equilibrium with God that would make no
sense we are always in a position where
we are eternally indebted to God that's
part of love and that's part of covenant
and that's what grace is that's why we
worship God and he finishes here in
verse 33 all the depth of the riches
both of the wisdom and knowledge of God
so we're saying look the plan is beyond
what we can really grasp even just
grasping little pieces of this and
understanding it for me is just it's a
huge solidify of my testimony in
understanding how this all works Paul
also here has gone over something
similar to what we get in Jacob chapter
5 with a grafting in of the wild
branches into the olive trees you have a
net the natural branches which are
Israel and you have the wild olive
branches which are the Gentiles and the
rest of the world and they have to be
mixed together you have to do it this
way there has to be a mixture one
helping the other and then the other
helping the former and ultimately
us working our way to God and God
working his way down to us how
unsearchable are his judgments and his
ways past finding out the Lord has a
plan for all of us we all fit into it
and Paul here by extending the gospel to
the nation's to the Gentiles is showing
how we all play out
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