All right. So, let's talk this uh Aaron Shinian thing. Man, you want to go first? You want me to go first? What do
you want to do? Well, you know, it's just interesting because it's there there are there's a question. I
think there's already something suspicious there that people generally feel about Aaron who is probably a very
good man uh very good at what he does but there's just some questions about
some of the his background on elements of the family proclamation right and so
okay but specifically people are really angry especially on X about his response
to the question about whether or not he supports the family uh proclamation Yes. Your thoughts. Cuz I know I got mine and
I don't think anybody's going to like mine, but I want to hear yours first. Yeah. I think that he needs to learn how
to answer that. I think he he needs to learn how to lean into it a little bit, even if it's not
like exactly what he thinks everybody wants to hear. I think he needs to lean into
it more and give some type of a complete response
so that there isn't again so much suspicion about
well it's about his background really interesting. So do you share that suspicion? Do like what's your what are
your what what what's the anustia as we say in Spanish? What's the not the fear,
but what's the the the angst, you know, that you're kind of channeling and you you think people have online?
Well, I would say typically it wouldn't matter. I mean, he's just a church employee. Yeah. Right. So, who cares? Well, but he is the the the highest ranking
church employee and arguably the most influential on behalf of the church outside of the Q15. Yeah. So, it is a it is an issue I think
in that regard to try and say because because the outward messaging of the church is under his purview, right?
So, it's like, okay, how does that affect the messaging of the church? Does that affect, well, we're not going to
cover this or this because I have certain certain uh uh beliefs on the family
proclamation. And I think those are I get these questions all the time. And so, that's a little bit of what I was
addressing when I talked about it. So, if I could steal man that side of the argument, I would say there's a lot of
generally socially conservative members in North America and Canada who have
survived a five-year battle of woke that culminated in the toxicity of of COVID
that was literally ripping wards and stakes and families in half. and that that battle had slogans and buzzwords
that a lot of people um kind of feared they heard repeated by Aaron Sherinian.
And that also one of the kind of battle cries or one of the titles of liberties
some people might say that has arisen in that battle is do you or don't you
support the proclamation of the family and in kind of what some would call a word salad uh response it seems he
dodged the question instead of simply saying yes. So that makes these kind of
more socially conservative people fearful. Wait, are you one of the people that like was ready to call the bishop
for not wearing a mask from the pulpit 18 months after the pandemic? You know what I'm saying? And and it makes them very nervous and
almost fearful that that influence could take the church more towards that toxic
direction than a healthy more traditional direction. Is that kind of a fair steel man?
Yeah, I think that's true. I think that you have to parse it out a little bit more though because I is it going to
take the church in a certain direction? I don't know that that's true. I I don't think it would be true. I mean, I think
that the brethren are on top of most of these things. However, that doesn't mean
that messaging might not change, right? And and and and I think that's what people are mostly worried about. The
other thing it's, you know, there's a reason the question was asked.
Why would the question be asked? And of course looking at his hiring, the flack that the host Scott talked
about was something that was real. And it didn't come out of nowhere. And it didn't come out of nowhere. This
is not in a vacuum. This is not in some, you know, corner of the Mormon ether that we just snag, you know, it's just
snagged out of nowhere. It is a real issue that people have had and
unfortunately it's not addressed. And so, so were you satisfied with his response? No.
No. Okay. Interesting. And if you could put in one sentence why you weren't why why
would you say you weren't satisfied? One sentence. Uh I don't think he answered it. I I don't think there's an
answer to it. And it's not like it's some litmus test where you have to go and answer every point of the family
proclamation or something like that. It's just find a better way to answer
this instead of just leaving people in the dark. That's what I would suggest. Okay. I like how you said find a better
way because what's interesting is I have a slightly different take on
this. I actually feel he did answer it.
If if you dissect the very You survived that one. Good job, bro. You know, um if
you dissect the uh Oh, are we getting butted up here? Oh, no. Okay, let's go this way.
All right, rock on. If there's any question that we're doing this live, there's your answer right there. Should we try going back? Oh, no. I think
there's a playground there. We're going back the way we came, bro. So, um,
okay. So, I have a slightly different take. Um,
I think you actually did answer it. If you meander through what some people
call the word salad, you do indeed find that there's cashews and there's nuts in
that word salad. And he did say, "I support the brethren." And in fact, it's
it's my job to support the brethren. But I also agree with you that man, we
shouldn't have to sift through the word salad to find it. Look, he can answer it differently. He
can answer it differently. Okay. I think it behooves somebody who is supposedly the professional of
public relations to read the room and understand where
the controversy is coming from and address it. I have to do it all the time on word radio. You have to do it all the time on quick media. And I agree with
you. I think a much better answer would be, oh, of course I support the proclamation of the family. I love it.
There's one hanging on my wall and you support it, too. Right. That's should have cleared the air and moved
on. Now, we can argue about how well we implement it as members. We can argue about what that means later, so on and
so forth. But one of the easiest, most lowhanging fruits you can ever give the
generally socially conservative or traditional members of the church in Brigham Young's Empire of the West in
North America is just I support the Proclamation of the Family. It's the easiest thing on the planet. It was a
missed opportunity that he didn't do that. With that said, I've been personally frustrated with the online
behavior of so many people responding to this because I think holy smokes, guys.
His presentation was great, very faithful. He didn't have any smoking guns. When
asked about the proclamation of the family, it's not like he gave us the elitist eye roll. It's not like he it I
I wouldn't even call this a gaff. I' I'd say maybe a missed opportunity, but I wouldn't call it a gaff because you know
what a gaff is had he like rolled his eyes and like his head or something.
That would have been the gif that like progos and anti- Mormons spread all over
Twitter and Instagram for the next 20 years, right? But he didn't. And what I
thought when I was watching that response was I thought we're watching in real
time the death of neoliberalism and neoconservatism and the analog era and
Aaron Sherinian. I actually found him very personal. I had a a conversation with him and um I'm gonna have to help this guy
out with some good PR telling people how well that went. I guess apparently you know what I'm saying. But um I spoke
with him and I was actually uh impressed with what I would dare say
his faithfulness because for sure he could be making more money elsewhere and and and and I view to a certain extent
though he is well paid uh his service to the church um though paid as kind of
like partial service. Right? Now, some people might take issue with that, but I would say that like
the best description I've ever heard of what makes a good politician, at least while in office,
is you postpone political decisions until they're no longer relevant
anymore, presumably to stay in power, right? Well, in the newspaper era, in
the radio era, when scandals broke, if you could survive the first 12 hours, stretch that into 24 hours. By 36 hours,
there's a new scandal on the front page of the newspaper. Mh. And the gatekeepers of whether you were
scandalous or not were the newspaper editors, were the radio hosts, were the TV interviewers. And if you could word
salad these people or just give like much more eloquent responses to very vicious sound bites, well then you won.
And that was the game. But now we don't live in that era. We live in an internet era that never
forgets. It never forgets. It does move a little bit. I mean, you had the the Coldplay couple
recently. All of a sudden, what saved them? What saved them was Sydney
Sweeney. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I would argue though they're going to live as a fridge magnet for the
next sure for the next 20 years. So, so my only thought was I just thought
this is an outofplace response in terms of time and the internet era people are
misinterpreting his 90s era response
as a dodge as a cover for wokeism as and and and I know these people Greg I know
these people in his mind and I I don't pretend to know his mind. Aaron, I don't know your mind, but I know many people
like him in positions like him, and they view themselves kind of as an apostle Paul. They speak Greek, they speak
Roman, they also speak Aramaic and Hebrew, and he's worked at the UN. He he
lived in Armenia. He's actually going to connect me with some Armenian manuscript uh scholars there. He's had such a wide
and storied and successful secular career that he speaks secular words
salad and and his response was the corporate response that Coca-Cola wants to hear.
You know what I'm saying? Sure. And so in his mind, he's thinking and the brother most likely are thinking
this is our guy because we need to stand on a world stage and the world stage
speaks the word salad worm tongue, whatever they're calling it. Right. Well, and that's interesting what you're
saying because there's there is a a a a
split somewhat much different than it used to be where you have very much a a
world-facing church. Mhm. Right. You have got the UN, you have got heads of state, you have got
organizations, NOS's, all these things, all these outward facing things. And there is a lot of messaging to brand the
church in a certain way with those those people outward.
I find that that's not necessarily the message that sits well internally.
Mhm. Right. And and and some and that's what I think is what happened well the night. Right. It's like that message
is not that's a message you would give at the UN. That is a message you would give to the heads of state. You don't
get put yourself in there. But it's not it's not very settling for some members. And and this revealed to me what is
actually not a problem with Aaron Sherinium, but a structural problem with our church. Did you know Israel doesn't
have one ambassador to the United States of America? They have five consoles. There's an ambassador for the Northeast,
one for the South, one for the Midwest, one for the Southwest, which is that makes sense. California, Utah, Arizona, and Nevada.
And then there's one the Pacific Northwest, right? because they're smart enough to look at America and say, "Whoa, there's there's five different
Americas." And the South is not the same as the New Yorkers. I can't send the guy that's
negotiating trade deals with Meil Lynch on Wall Street with the same dude that's wearing flip-flops and sung glasses
talking film permits with the producers of Paramount in Los Angeles. That's just a misfit.
So really, Aaron Sherinia needs to be there needs to be five Aaron Shinians.
Aaron Sherinian. There needs to be a North American Aaron Sherinian because North America and
Canada have unique cultural problems such as wokeism, mental illness, certain economic issues. Meanwhile, South
America, you served in Mexico City, totally different culture, totally
different style and approach to everything in life. Europe needs to have their own. Asia needs to have their own.
Africa needs to have their own. And then guess what? When finally we blow up in the Middle East, there needs to be a
sixth. There needs to be six PR people that are the outward-f facing, highest
paid employee of the church in charge of communications for that region.
Aaron Shinian's answer was a great European or Middle Eastern answer. Sure.
It was not Brigham Young's Empire of the West that just survived CO and is coping
with the loss and needs reassurance that we're not going the way of Coca-Cola
that that was the missed opportunity or Jaguar, right? It's like or Jaguar,
you know, and that's what I think a lot of people are that that's where the unsettling comes from. People live this.
Yes. It is in the media and it's in their ward and it's I get this all the
time. Yeah, he needs to understand I think my perspective it's only me but this is
something that they are living all the time and it is a concern for them. It took them years just to translate what
was happening uh which started in about 2019 and and now they've got an idea and
they're like oh is he a part of that group or is he a part of this group
and and so it's it's not it's not just some fear.
Yeah. That doesn't have a basis to it. It is it is the vernacular. It is you know are
you talking about lived experience? Are you talking about are you using these words that I've heard that are now
concerning to me that I hear in my my my my son's high school at times or
whatever it might be, right? Because wokeism has been an issue. It is a concern
and and that's what people are afraid of. Is this someone who is in an influential
position that has adopted these positions? Yeah. Right. So the last thing I would say is
that we talked a lot about Aaron. so far. And I I think often times people think
you and I represent a lot of the social conservatism of the church kind of like especially like traditional family
values which I I think is pretty fair. Right. Sure. I'm definitely a lot more economically liberal than you and we can talk UBI any
day of the week. That's another discussion right there. That's it. But um I I will say
I think a lot of conservatives misbehaved just like there was a missed
opportunity by Aaron Shinian. I think there was just downright misbehavior.
Not necessarily by you for you know having questions. But the explosion on
LDX, you know what I'm saying? Trying to classify him as some kind, let's go this way, as some kind of woke clown. as some
kind of like this is evidence. Well, evidence of what? Take the time to dissect the word salad. And yes, he
missed the opportunity to have a slam dunk. He missed the slam dunk. He might
have even missed the layup. All right. You know what I'm saying? I think he missed the entire backboard to be honest. Okay. Sorry.
But at the end of the day, he didn't give the ball to the other team. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like he did not give the ball
to the other team and that's what he's getting accused of. And I think it's unfair. And my concern, just like I have
a concern about who's our highest paid employee and who's messaging on behalf of the church, I have a concern about
the church with a little C itself. The way X has exploded on him. The way some
of these influencers have reacted, it's like what incentive are we giving church
bureaucrats to engage with us as, I don't know, common folk, if you want to call it that, or with the membership. If
you can't even post controversy, try and give an unimpeachable but inarticulate response
to something without getting your worst posts you've ever made dredged up and
then put in your face and then called a woke clown. Uh, you know,
effectively an apostate. It's like, what incentive structure are we providing? I
would never want to show up to that again and subject myself to that. And what's the worst public? You know what's
worse than a woke comm's director? A woke comm's director that never shows
up that never shows up and is completely inaccessible. Absolutely. That is definitely better.
The you know we we tend to take an issue like this and
straw man everything that we can right depending on your view of this both sides. you start the straw man
everything. It's much more nuanced than that. And I said this, you know, this is a this is a good man
that has a family and is on our team. Yes,
he is on our team. Yes. Right. There may be questions about it and I think that that is valid. That's
okay. You don't need to have questions or even suspicions
and just go all out ad hom on an individual. You don't need to do
that. Aaron Shinian needs a thicker skin. And frankly, the Mormon church with a little C and us as church members, we need to
freaking chill out and lighten up. You know, they need to lighten up on you.
They need to lighten up on Aaron. Like, let's enjoy fair. He had a good presentation. Fair was awesome.
has been awesome. This is overshadow. I thought his speech was actually pretty good. There's a couple parts where was kind of
boring, but he brought up some amazing stats on some stuff the church is doing. Yes.
And it it made me proud to be a member. I wish so many people could see it. Aaron, your presentation was great.
I'll give you some word radio shirts to throw out. We could liven up the experience a little bit, you know. But so, how do you do this, Cardon? How do
you go out? Because I am a big proponent of awareness on this thing. And it's not just that I'm throwing something out
there online, a video online, and then all of a sudden there's reaction. Everybody has the same reaction. There's clips of the video out there.
People have different reactions on this. How do you teach or influence LDX and
everybody else to say, "Oh, I need to learn about this. I want to be aware of
these things. I want to discuss them." Because you need to discuss that the Jews do a great job of this.
Uhhuh. We don't. Yeah. Yeah. And instead of discussing them and understanding them,
we immediately go to character assassination. Yes. Right. And it's like you have to be able
to split those apart. Well, that's the key is we have to discuss. But something I try and do in
all of my videos when I start out, and maybe it's just cuz I'm an add millennial that makes my decision whether or not I watch a video in the
first 3 seconds is I think it's important at the beginning of the video to say, "Hey, if we're talking about
Aaron, Aaron, I'm on your team." Sure. You know, Aaron, I'm on your team. I
think we had a missed opportunity here. Let's discuss it so that in those first three seconds, it's not like, "Oh crap,
they're lambasting me." Because you and I, as much as we're public figures now and we're used to it,
I've always maintained you can never not take it personally. And that's actually something that I like that he said.
Yeah, I told him that as public figures, we have to learn how to take that nasty
comment only 0.001% seriously so that if we get a thousand
of them, we still have a 99% good day. You know what I'm saying? Like because
any influencer, any celebrity, I've never met one that is truly able to
actually have it be like water off a duck's back. And if we are really Christians, then we have to approach it.
Just like I think it's Matthew 22 says, "First approach thy brother. Then if that doesn't work, uh, approach him with
a friend. And if that doesn't work, then bring the church." We have to engage in holy conflict resolution. And a a unique problem I
see, especially on X, is that whenever there's an issue, we go to X first.
And this is why I have respect for you, and this is why I'm actually doing this walk with you, is because you're really good at calling people up, saying, "Hey,
let's have a conversation. You're super good at couching all of your controversial takes and, hey, I love
this guy. We're on the same side." you know, and and I think the more we double down
on that reminder that, hey, we're all on the same side
here, I think that kind of opens people up to the conversation more. And then
hopefully Mormons become like a trends setter in that kind of issue. Well, and I want to bring something else up on this. It's that I think is
important. Why you would bring it up in the first place? Why would I bring this up in the first place? Why did I bring it up when
he was hired? You know, maybe it's better Greg and and Carden not to even talk about it.
Yeah. Right. The problem is you can't do that anymore. Uhhuh. Because it's going to be talked about.
Mhm. It's going to be talked about from different angles uh within the church. It's going to be talked about from the
Progmos. It's going to be talked about from the Exmos. Yeah. I believe that you and I both have a
faithful perspective. Yes. We care. Give me a couple years and a million dollars and I might sell out. But, you
know, just kidding. But we care about the church. Yes. Right. We care about the church. And so I would rather have people hear
things from that perspective. We don't live in a world anymore where things are just going to be
hidden. You can put your head in the sand and say, "Well, if nobody talks, if I
don't talk about it, it's just going to go away." And Elder Holland has reflected and
mirrored what you said by saying, "There can be no more quote uncontested slam dunks.
Because if we don't talk about it in a faithful way, you're right, the Progmos,
the anti- Mormons, the ex- Mormon anti-Mormons, trust me, they will and they'll make that gif and so on and so
forth. So, I really think this is just another example, and I don't want to beat a dead horse,
but to me, what the internet did to our society
was more consequential than what the Gutenberg press and books did.
Absolutely. to to Europe when it was invented and to Christianity and to Christianity and we have to
transition. We cannot hang on to the old way of doing things or we will lose
people testimonies market share whatever analogy you want to make. So, so I think
it behooves us as members Hey, what's up guys? Hello there. I think it behooves us as
members to chill out on the older generation from the analog era and that
includes me. I hold myself culpable. And then it also behooves the paid
professionals making millions of dollars that supposedly work in PR to think I'm going to get asked about the
proclamation of the family in front of a bunch of conservatives. Maybe I should rehearse a couple of uh oneliners,
you know, that put him at ease as to where I stand. Yeah. And again, because look at look at
what happened and and and the the flame that was fueled when the church had not
spoken about so many things. Oh, for so long. Put out the essays
and and it just it's not good. You know, it's the issue right now is also even with
you know polygamy was all of a sudden an issue again and it's like yes nobody knows how to articulate it.
Nobody knows how to articulate it. And so you have to remain quiet. Yeah. Or you're like, "Oh, I'm not sure what
to think." Yeah. Right. Well, hey, you can make a decision if you have an awareness if you know about things. And so we we
you have to have awareness. Okay. So, you got broad shoulders. So, you're going to have to go first because you lift weights, bro. And this is a
small little, you know. All right. Cool. So, uh I don't Any last questions for
me? I got all my questions out of the system for you. You're so wise and articulate, you know. Why do you think that you you felt Did
you feel good about his answer? Did you feel good about it? Um, my first thought
was okay. So, the short answer is no. The long answer is the longer answer is
no. But I didn't feel bad about his answer. The longest answer is no. I did
not feel good about his answer. I feel it was a missed opportunity, but I also wasn't enraged. I actually kind of just
felt a little bit of pity almost like when you see, and please don't take this
wrong, Comm's department or Aaron or anybody, right? But when you see,
my father's a perfect example. I loved playing basketball with my dad. as he's aged,
things that he used to do that wildly impressed me, he just can't do anymore. He can only back you down.
Yeah. Pretty much it. He's going to post you off. That's all I can do. Yeah. Yeah. And And it's I don't want to
I don't want to rub it in his face. I don't want to uh I I want to love
respect my father and mother as best as I can. But you're not talking about Aaron specifically. talking about I thought when I watched that the this I
remember the sentence I thought we are watching the slow death of neoliberalism
that's what we're watching this was not the 2025 answer this was the 2017 answer
isn't that funny that in such a short period of time there was just such a a massive change
my dad playing basketball in 2017 was completely different than him playing basketball in 2025 It's almost like
because of technology, you know, you used to have like what was it a 20 30 year generation that they would they
would label a generation by. It's almost like you have to do it by five years now. You know, it's like every five years
there's a there's such an advancement. You got AI now and that's going to be completely different for those kids that are moving
up through elementary school, high school, etc. Yeah. They're going to have a different take. Yeah. But that was the analog era
Atlantic Ma magazine, New York Times, and Washington Post answer. But you want
to know what Atlantic, the New York Times, and the Washington Post all have in common?
None of them get as many views as one day of Joe Rogan.
Yeah. No one. None of them get as many views as one day of X podcast. Did you know
now 64% of all broadcast media is on YouTube? Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.
CNN Plus failed. You know what I'm saying? You know what didn't? A million
podcasts released during the Trump era because they were cancelled from the analog uh traditional media
traditional media outlets. So the old kind of
I don't want to say evasions, but the old word salad worm tongue
is just not palatable to people anymore. They will choose to scroll past it and move it on. So So that's what I thought
is I just thought, h this is an analog era answer that we're
trying to pigeon hole into the digital era. So you I I would think right you
you understand why the family proclamation is such a a a lightning
rod. Oh, of course. Right. So So this again, as we said, this is not something that's just pulled out from the ether somewhere.
Yeah. This is something that's very relevant. Do you do you see this I mean articulate for me
why you think the audience here for example I mean I spoke to I don't know how many dozens of people afterward.
They all had the same thing to say. Why would this be such an important issue to them? Um, not not looking at this in a
vacuum of just Aaron responding to this and his answer to this or non-answer.
Why is this such something that is because it's a bell weather. It is. It's No, it's a bell weather. And see
what's interesting is I live in LA. Woke is broke there. We exported all of the rich white suburbanites that were
funding all of this. Act Blue is dead. There's no there's no more Antifa. There's no more Antifa. Like like all of
that is so unpopular now. It's LA Producers that made the Sydney Sweeney ad, bro. You know, so it's like it it
it's it's dead there. Utah Brigham Young's Empire of the West because we so
value treating each other lovingly. Crybullyism that weaponizes love still
has a football a foothold here and we haven't really quite gotten it out of our system like we have in some
of the other cultural centers right now that's an episode you and I should do because I disagree with you on the
the trajectory of this but okay yes I understand in the LA area things seem to have been changing quite a bit
well dude we're city of immigrants now bro I mean like like white Christian males I think we're down to like 25% sense.
And it's so funny because those that are supposed to be represented in this woke identity don't give a rip
Yeah. about it, right? They don't care. So, so when I come here, I would argue
now I would be more worried about an activist teacher or school counselor
trying to trans my kids in Salt Lake City than I would in LA Unified School District. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. And so for that
audience there, people that would subscribe to fair and for the predominantly Utah, Idaho, and Arizona
LDX audience, the proclamation the family has become a little bit of a purity and a litmus test,
which I don't think it should be, but it is. And it behooves somebody that works
in PR to recognize that and formulate appropriate responses. And I think the
appropriate response is, do you support the pro proclamation of the family? Well, yes, of course I do.
Who doesn't? You can't and shouldn't be a member if you don't. You know, and then we can get to the real question of
would you ever do that? Would you get that answer? I think from future PR people, we will,
but we're watching the slow death of the analog era. So that's why I had that
emotional response is it was just like oh man this would have been great 15 years ago.
But man, we just this is a missed opportunity. So now he makes up for it
many other ways. Like for example, I think we're going to crush it with some of this uh really cool esoteric. He's
Armenian. Oh my gosh, I wish every Armenian would get baptized in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. we would
take over the world, my man. Uh uh and and and I had such an amicable conversation with
I'm going to actually uh talk about that in another podcast and whatnot, but I don't know. Those are my thoughts. So, I
just think there's a lot of misbehavior, a lot of missed opportunities, and a lot of sides, but there's only one guy in the equation that's getting paid seven
figures. So, you know, like I do hold him to a little bit of a higher standard.
Sure. Sure. That's fair. How is there a synthesis
a a a message a synthesized message that
can be delivered that is inward-f facing
to the church members and outward facing. Shouldn't that be the same thing or does it not is it not possible
because again I I really think there is a we talk to the press a lot
we talk to organizations a lot the UN etc. there is an outward-f facing
message. Well, that's why I think the missed opportunity was simplicity. If somebody
were to ask, "Do you support the proclamation of the family?" 99.9% of Americans that see that both in the
media and layman won't even know what that is. So, the shorter they answer, the better. First off, if not just a
board of the audience, but then to force them to look up what it is. Had he simply said, "Oh, of course I support the Proclamation of the Family.
I love it. There's one hanging on my wall." Then the average person would open up
the proclamation of the family, read it if they were interested enough, and then realize it's a nothing burger.
It's only controversial because enough progos and ex Mormon antimos have tried to chop it up and
straw man it and misrepresent it as something it's not. I actually prefer the average layman. Just read it and and
what does it say? Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, generally nuclear families with moms and dads are good. And generally
dad should provide and protect. And mothers should nurture and raise. And there's nothing more important you can
do than raise your family. And God does not smile upon individuals or societies that don't. And knock your kids out. I
mean, knock not knock your kids out. Knock yourself out, kids. Go have some good, clean fun. That's basically what
the proclamation of the family is. It's only when you read it through this toxic, woke, scold, cribbully lens that
you start getting these, well, this doesn't account for anybody that's having a lived experience of uh
transgender, LGBTQ, whatever that you develop this controversy. So
that that's why I think clear the air with simplicity. those that want to look
it up can look it up and they will quickly notice that it's a nothing burger and that anybody who takes issue
with it is the kind of person that fell out of favor in Los Angeles two years ago and
will be totally out of favor here within two or three years. That that's just my coping mechanism and I could be wrong.
Awesome. Well, you ought to come on more of these walks. Yeah, dude. Let's do it. Do it. Rock on.
