'Charity, Prophecy & Hierarchy'
- Faith, Hope & Charity as a hierarchy
- Even Spiritual Gifts have a hierarchy
- Women to be 'silent' in church?
- Women and the priesthood
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LDS Mormon New Testament 1 Corinthians Bible
in this episode we're going to talk
about charity prophecy and hierarchy
here we go so in this episode we're
going to cover chapter 14 of first
Corinthians the following episode will
cover chapters 15 and 16 what we get
here in chapter 14 is kind of a follow
up on what Paul has gone over in first
Corinthians so far where he has focused
a lot on charity and on spiritual gifts
and as we've stated previously it's
interesting that faith hope and charity
are brought together with spiritual
gifts Mormon and Mauro and I do the same
thing they bring this train of
attributes of faith hope and charity
what I would call attribute of
progression along with spiritual gifts
and what Paul ends up doing here
remember that he previously in talking
about faith hope and charity he says
that even if you have hope in Christ
it's not enough faith isn't enough and
he said that of these three faith hope
and charity charity is the most
important so he's done something here
just like in the last episode we talked
about creating a hierarchical structure
where he goes back to the Garden of Eden
and he talks about God the Father being
the source of Christ and Christ being
the source of man and man being the
source of woman he's put together kind
of this hierarchy of origin and that's
what he does a lot in these epistles and
that's what the gospel is really about
is about hierarchical structures and
here's why and you've if you've been a
listener for a long time you know that
I've talked a lot about hierarchy and
out what I call a fluid hierarchy
because in a Gospel sense you have to
have something above you that you are
shooting for you have to have a place
where you are able to progress too and
you have to have a place where someone
can reach out a hand to help you and
then on the other side you have to have
someone people others where they are
looking to you as an example and as a
strength and where you can reach down
and pull them up that is all about a
hierarchical structure and a lot of
times we get this idea I even heard this
very recently here that all of these
spiritual gifts that Paul talks about
are the same they're all of equal value
that sounds good right it sounds neat
just like saying a lot of things are the
same but that's not the way the gospel
works it can't work that way there has
to be a hierarchical structure and Paula
is pointing that out and he continually
goes through these hierarchical
structure even says with faith hope and
charity that charity is the greatest of
the three so there is a difference there
is a value a greater value given to
charity than there is to faith and to
hope one is more important than another
remember we can go back to Lehigh's
teachings he has what I would call a
philosophical teaching a philosophical
theological teaching in second Nephi 2
and he goes back to the Garden of Eden -
and the creation story to get back to
this and one thing that he talks about
is that there must be opposition in all
things and I think that you can carry
that one step further and understand
what he's saying that that doesn't mean
just good and evil right you can't just
say okay everything is good and
everything that's good is the same and
and everything that's evil is the same
that's not how it works
there are levels there are two
of going to the dark side so to speak
and there are degrees of reaching up
higher and higher toward progression
there has to be and that has to go on
for an eternity so we want hierarchical
structures in the world and in in the
cosmos out there because it gives us
something to aim for and it gives us
something to warn us against going the
other way we need that we need context
with things that is part of part
partaking of the fruit of the knowledge
of the tree of good and evil right it's
not just good and just evil there are
lots of degrees of evil there are lots
of degrees of good so he's been going
over these hierarchies throughout
Corinthians and back even in Acts and in
Romans and one of those hierarchies that
he now goes over he doesn't go
specifically into each one of the levels
but he now takes all these spiritual
gifts that he's talked about and he's
going to separate a couple of them and
he's gonna say one is good and one is
better right and that's the way the
gospel works and so this is what he says
here starting out in in verse 1 of
chapter 14 follow after charity and
desire spiritual gifts but rather that
ye may prophesy now if we were to go
back and see a better translation of
this we would say and desire spiritual
gifts and rather that ye may prophesy or
especially that you ye may prophesy that
would be Weymouth translation and so
again there's a lot of spiritual gifts
out there but especially prophecy now
another thing to think about here before
we go into these spiritual gifts is why
is charity always tied in with all these
spiritual gifts here and in the Book of
Mormon and I think one way to think
about this is that as this hierarchy has
already been set up by Paul with faith
hope let's do this by faith hope and
charity
that that the spiritual gifts as they
are set up into a hierarchy also what
they do is they allow us to take these
spiritual gifts no matter what level
they are at and help those that may not
have that spiritual gift and we've
talked a lot about Covenant right and I
think that's where charity comes in it's
how do I use what the Lord has given me
to love others to help others to serve
others and so every time these spiritual
gifts are talked about and always a list
of all these different gifts charity is
brought up to be coupled with that
because it's charity that is required to
use those spiritual gifts to lift others
up now back to the spiritual gifts what
Paul is going to do here in chapter 14
is he's going to talk about two gifts of
speaking and the first one is this the
gift of tongues and then the second one
is the gift of prophecy so both of these
are things that would be spoken and so
he's going to contrast the two of them
and show how one is better than the
other he's constantly going in and
setting up this different values
hierarchy with the things that he's
talking about so here's what he says for
he that speaketh in an unknown tongue or
as the JST the Joseph Smith translation
would say of another tongue or another
language speaketh not unto men but unto
God for no man understandeth him howbeit
in the spirit he speaketh mysteries but
he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to
edification and exhortation and comfort
so basically what he's saying is one
is a little bit more like the lower law
it's good for you right remember the
lower law is about the individual this
is a gift of tongues is something that
it may be a great experience for you it
may be spiritually edifying to you but
the gift of prophecy is much better is
more of a higher law spiritual gift and
it is something that edifies the
that are around you so that is the
contrast that he's setting up there and
that is a little bit of hierarchy that
he's putting into these spiritual gifts
and he summarizes the individual aspect
of the gift of tongues and the community
aspect of the gift of prophecy as
follows here in verse 4 he says he that
speaketh in an unknown tongue in another
tongue edifieth himself but he that
prophesieth edifieth the church right so
again one is for the individual it's
important it's good but the other edify
though all those around him identify at
the community would edify your family
would edify the ward the church the
community etc and then he compares it to
musical instruments and basically says
look this is speaking in another
language is almost like having a bunch
of musical instruments that aren't
following musical theory does somebody
just banging out and not something
that's not in rhythm and you can't
imagine somebody just playing the piano
just however just knocking on keys
there's no order to it there's no direct
communication to the ear that makes
sense they're not following fifths in
octaves and etc and so that's a lot like
speaking in tongues he says others don't
understand what is going on so what good
is that to other anyone but yourself
so he says down in verse 12 even so ye
for as much as ye are zealous of
spiritual gifts so this is obviously
something where there was a lot of talk
about this how do we get the gift of
knowledge how do we get the gift of
prophecy the gift of tongues seem to
have seems to have been something that
the church in Corinth was really
pursuing and Paul tells us that he spoke
in tongues sure exactly what that means
but he says that he spoke in tongues
while he was with them in Corinth so
maybe that's why that's something that
they really seek after and he's saying
hey that's good but it's not great so
again in 12 even so ye for as much as ye
are zealous of spiritual gifts seek that
ye may Excel to the edifying of the
church
so there's a lot of things for example
and I get stuck in this sometimes where
I really like to study the gospel and I
like to study principles and kind of get
this individual personal selfish to some
degree knowledge and fulfillment from
just knowing right but unless I'm using
some kind of a gift be able to share
that with somebody else that helps them
then really I'm just following a lower
law I'm really just in the ironic law
it's just only for me it's an individual
gift and what I need to be pursuing is
something that will be a gift that could
help somebody else and share with
someone else or edify somebody else and
Paul gives us this in comparing the two
he says in verse 19 yet in the church I
had rather speak five words with my
understanding than by my voice I might
teach others also than ten thousand
words in an unknown tongue or another
tongue as Joseph Smith says so in other
words again I'd rather give a little bit
that helps somebody else even just a
small amount than something that just
helps me personally a large amount which
is an interesting concept right there he
is telling us look whatever helps you
individually is good but a large amount
of that help for you individually does
not compare to a small amount that you
can give to someone else and I think
that's a real true principle a lot of
people that say may have depression or
are struggling with difficult times or
or they're in a difficult place
emotionally or mentally it seems that
the more you focus just on yourself it
sometimes seems like that's the natural
thing to do the more you focus on
yourself
the harder it is to get out of that
state of mind to get out of those
emotions but when you get outside of
yourself and you serve others and you
help others and you focus on their needs
then that is what typically
he lifts people out of a bad place that
would be at least what Paul is saying
here in comparing the value of these two
things internal and external spiritual
gifts and then we get just a little bit
of a smidgen here of a ward meeting we
might call it we don't really have
anything that has been found written
down or any archaeological evidence that
gives us much information about how the
early meetings of first century
Christians went certainly not during the
time of Paul so we get just a little bit
of maybe what they did sometimes in
these meetings and we start off here
with not only that some people speaking
in tongues but we have some guidelines
that Paul gives to the branch here in
Corinth he says let the prophets speak
two or three now here when he's saying
prophets he's either talking about the
leaders of the branch of the ward of the
stake whatever we might have here or the
unit or he's talking about those that
are prophesying and in that sense it
would be men or women but he says here
let the prophets speak two or three and
let the other judge so you might get up
and say something about the gospel maybe
that's what they're talking about
prophecy it's truth you're bearing truth
or maybe they're talking about things
that they see and understand within the
gospel maybe they're talking about
testimony it's hard to know always what
they're talking about when they say
prophesy here but then it says if
anything be revealed to another that
sitteth by let the first hold his peace
so in other words have a conversation
here and if something comes to mind to
someone let them talk maybe this is a
little bit more like a Sunday-school
environment hopefully a Sunday-school
environment for ye may all prophesy one
by one that all may learn and all may be
comforted so we can see here hi another
nuance to what he says here when he uses
the term prophecy maybe everybody can
stand up and say something
about the gospel about the topic that's
being discussed sounds like a big
conversation and then he says something
important here that we follow today as
well in verse 32 it says and the spirits
of the prophets or those that are
speaking our subject to the prophets so
in other words look you we can all have
these ideas and say these certain things
but there is an overlaying
doctrine that needs to be followed but
the principle here that Paul is talking
about is look there is a hierarchy of
doctrine and the prophets and apostles
that are speaking that is at the top
along with the scriptures which are the
Apostles and the prophets and so that
hierarchy comes down in importance or in
value or in surety right so we can speak
what we want and say what we want say
it's even in Sunday school
or it's in our Relief Society or elders
quorum but the more sure word of
prophecy is going to come from the
prophets seers and Revelator's and maybe
somewhere down at the bottom of that
hierarchy is quick media perhaps and
then Paul says something really
interesting here following up with that
that hierarchy of the doctrine here he
says for God is not the author of
confusion but of peace as in all
churches of the saints so again what is
peace we think about you know what
does that mean is doesn't mean
everything's just kind of what are they
talking about when they say peace think
about one of the titles of the savior of
the Messiah and that is the Prince of
Peace he is the author of peace in that
annual temple drama at the Feast of
Tabernacles that we've talked about many
times one of the names of the Covenant
that was put in place there with the
people and the king and maybe the
prophet at that time was the covenant of
peace
and the idea is in that Day of
Atonement where the high priest and the
King are involved perhaps you have the
sprinkling of the blood on the altar on
the holy in the Holy of Holies on the
Ark of the Covenant perhaps on the
people even you have a cleansing of
the temple a cleansing of the high
priest and his family you have a
cleansing of the tribes of Israel you
have a cleansing of the Land of Israel
and this was something that was supposed
to create a peace and everything was
bound together as in the creation from
this covenant right this bonding binding
covenant of peace and Jesus Christ is
the author of that covenant of peace
what is the name of the holy city
it is Salem that is what it was called
at the time of Melchizedek and what is
Melchizedek mean the king of righteousness
or another term could be similar term
would be Prince of Peace and being the
king of Salem he was the king of peace
right Salem is Shalom it's peace or
Giroux Shalom right Giroux Shalom or
Jerusalem so he is the king of Jerusalem
he is the Prince of Jerusalem King in
the sense that maybe he's the father and
Prince in the sense that maybe he's the
son so there is an author of confusion
as well and in that drama
he's very familiar to all of us he is
chaos and he is the opposite of what
Paul here is speaking of with an order
talk about order and chaos with an order
that is set forth through hierarchies
and then we get to another controversial
subject on gender roles and here we have
Paul again talking about women and how
men and women should behave in church
and so let's try and unravel this a
little bit
and see if we can't understand what he's
trying to say here first of all again
the preface to this is this is 1st
century Roman world right this is in
Corinth it is the square peg or part of
the square peg of history that's existed
for most of human history that does not
fit into the round hole of modernity of
our time today it just doesn't fit so
there are a lot of cultural issues that
would be seen as appropriate not just
because of behavior but actually
theologically to try and hold things
together between these pagans that are
members of the church that have a very
very different background and the very
staunch pharisaical Jews that are also
here and how do you bring that together
what do you how do you how do you
reconcile this so he is navigating these
waters between his cultures and he is
obviously of a first-century culture so
here's what it says in verse 33 now
excuse me verse 34 it says let your
women keep silence in the churches ouch
for it is not permitted unto them to
speak see in this time when they were
speaking this and he's writing this
letter this is not controversial right
this is not misogynist this is there are
different roles for men and women women
were domestic and going out into the
world including church there would have
been separate roles that the men
followed and that the women followed not
because of oppression but because of
societal and natural demands on survival
and progress so then he follows up and
he says but they are commanded to be
under obedience as also saith the law so
the law is the law of Moses so let's
talk about this just a little bit first
of all real important thing to know and
you're not going to see this in your in
your King James Version of the inspired
scriptures
with its footnote but there is apart
from the jst that shows a Smith
translation the little blurbs that you
get in the King James version there is a
full a much fuller Joseph Smith
translation that we have that is not in
the scriptures in the LDS scriptures and
in this and in this verse here Joseph
Smith does change a word here he changes
the words speak and this is how it
changes the verse let's read it again on
this and use instead of the word speak
we use the word rule okay that's what
Joseph Smith put in here he said let
your women keep silence in the churches
for it is not permitted unto them to
rule but they are commanded to be under
obedience as also saith the law which
most of the other men would have been
under the other the obedience because
they wouldn't have been the rulers of
the congregation right we say rule that
sounds crude to us but the leaders the
bishopric those that hold the keys in
whatever their position might be so it
kind of sounds like what they're saying
here is that it is up to the man holding
the priesthood to run the meetings and
not for the women and that isn't any
different from today I've seen some
commentaries on this where they say in
that day the men ran the meetings and
I'm thinking we'll wait a minute it's
the same thing here today that's not
different of course there are other
meetings that the women run but if there
is a presiding priesthood holder then
that priesthood holder would run the
meeting we still have that division
right of different roles within the
church now that is changing a lot who
knows how much it will change I don't
know but it changes again it changes
because of our modern world technology
and changes that have given women many
many more options have completely
changed the world in many ways for good
so men are to be the priesthood holders
those that are running the meetings of
church and then 35 still going through
this it says and if they will learn
anything this is the women let them ask
their husbands at home for it is a shame
for women to speak in the church and
again Joseph Smith replaces speak with
rule right for it is a shame for women
to rule in the church so is Paul giving
us a doctrine that is theologically firm
and set or is he giving us a cultural
reflection of the time well for the most
part at least as far as what has been
revealed to the Brethren at this point
it seems theological and that women are
given many roles and the ability to
create life in partnership with God the
greatest power that there is and men are
given the priesthood and what is going
to be interesting to see as we see this
evolution of men and women in their
roles and this fight with gender is how
the family unit is going to survive
through this will it flourish will it
stay even-keeled
will it disintegrate that doesn't mean
there isn't some cultural fluff in there
right I mean look at the difference
between the church even in the last 50
years when I was growing up women didn't
pray in church in sacrament meeting that
was culturally acceptable so there is
obviously leeway in between this as
society changes as culture changes but
where does it hit up against I don't
know something firm but you've got to
take I think all of these when you think
about these things and these societal
currents these cultural currents that
are out there that can be good or can be
bad you've got all of these moving parts
going right you have got the family
which is paramount
you have got gender with such a fast
change in culture you have an even wider
gap in the generation gap in many things
so--that's parents to children and their
relationships it's going to be very
interesting to see how the church
responds to these cultural currents and
these parts moving around can they be
juggled around or do they need to stay
in a specific order and that is what
Paul is going over here be it
theological and doctrinal or cultural on
the other end he's talking about order
and he's talking about hierarchical
structures and here we wouldn't say
again that the man is superior to the
woman I think if we were to go back to
last week and talk about the hierarchy
of origin and source from again as I
said the father at the head the head
which means the source and then Christ
as the and he's the source of Christ
Christ is the source of man and man is
the source of woman what we might look
at there is not a hierarchical structure
of importance or Authority even but
maybe it is a hierarchy of leadership
and if we looked at the family
proclamation we might see something like
that and some people aren't gonna want
to hear that but I'm just trying to say
what is it that we read in this or
do we just ignore it and I choose not to
ignore it I think it needs to be
discussed and so then Paul finishes up
here in chapter 14 bringing together
these points he says here in verse 39
wherefore brethren covet to prophesy and
forbid not to speak with tongues so in
other words what you really want to aim
for is that value that is high in the
hierarchy of prophecy of maybe testimony
that can be shared with others to
strengthen them but and forbid not to
speak with tongues but allow the lower
gift that's important to it's not as
high as what you should be aiming for
and maybe as we go through again we're
gonna see more hierarchy in the next
episode
the three kingdoms as he talks about
baptisms for the dead and maybe we might
say hey prophesy here is more of a
celestial gift and maybe speaking with
tongues is more of a terrestrial or
celestial gift there are hierarchies and
that's okay and as I speak about fluid
hierarchies what that means is it
doesn't matter even where you are within
a hierarchy as long as that hierarchy
for you is fluid and that means that you
have opportunity to choose not a right
to instantly be put into one place but
the right to be able to get where you
want to go and to be who you want to be
and to be able to fulfill the divine
promise as a son or daughter of God that
you inherently have I'll talk to you
next time
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