Clip from 'Faith, Hope & Charity'
- LDS Faith Crisis
- Doubts about the church and gospel
- There is an intellectual knowledge and an experiential knowledge
Full episode- https://youtu.be/bwUM3l0Lz7A
LDS Mormon
I'll tell you a little bit about my
experience with I wouldn't call it a
full faith crisis but I will say that
there were several things that really
bothered me I was going through my later
20s into early 30s when the internet was
just coming around I remember sitting in
my basement waiting for a web page to
download about every 30 seconds I was on
prodigy which was an internet service at
the time and I started you know I
remember surfing the internet very very
very slowly and I remember eventually
finding certain sites and information
about the church and things that
bothered me a little bit there are
things that I was not taught in church
they're things I didn't learn through
the books that I read while I was on my
mission and afterward and I had made a
definite effort after my mission to
continue studying the gospel on a
regular basis and have followed through
on that ever since then but this was new
information and it and it hurts me it
bothered me it pulled at me and at times
it really caused a tumult in in me
spiritually and I would wonder about it
and these were facts right this was
information that either I didn't quite
understand yet or that flew in the face
in some cases of things that I
believed were true and I you may have
possibly gone through something like
this yourself or maybe are going through
something like this yourself and you
have been online especially or you've
talked to others or you go into reddit
or you listen to certain podcasts or you
see certain YouTube videos and all it
takes is a little seed of doubt you've
probably noticed that that just a little
seed of doubt can cause real real
problem and I saw several of my friends
and others around me that went through
this process also and did end up in a
full faith crisis and several of them
did
leave the church I remember being in an
elders quorum and having somebody that I
knew very well it was a little bit older
than me just bringing up point after
point after point in elders quorum of
things that he had read online and was
in chat rooms on and that the elders
quorum president and the teacher and
anybody else in that room probably
couldn't answer at that point very few
could have answered it at those
questions at that point and he left the
church and several others have done that
I didn't end up doing that and I think
that there were a couple of reasons for
that I think each of us by the way has
to go through some kind of trial some
kind of spiritual trial of testimony of
our faith because that's the only way it
grows and we have to really look very
deep inside eventually and press
ourselves as to what we really are going
to rely on and how we are going to live
each day in what type of faith system
we're going to live and this of course
happened with me and I remember as I
would look at these facts that were
online whether it was about the Book of
Mormon or the Book of Abraham or of
course the never-ceasing stones that are
hurled at Joseph Smith I finally came to
a couple of conclusions number one I did
a lot more studying and I said to myself
I'm just gonna keep studying I'm gonna
keep looking into these sayings I'm
gonna keep pondering them and trying to
understand some of these things and
number two what I realized what that was
that there were two different types of
knowledge one was a knowledge of facts
things that or non facts the things
that I could read online or somewhere
else
in a chat room somewhere and number two
there was my personal experience and
what I realized over time was that the
personal experience was much stronger
than anything I could read or learn or
whether it was good or bad and the
personal experience is what brought me
through that faith crisis or those
those difficult times
I knew based on my experience that as I
tried certain principles out in the
gospel as I as I leaned on the Lord as I
focused more and more on prayer as I
studied the Scriptures more on a regular
basis as I focused on my family and
relationships that were around me that
this worked and it worked in a way that
it cleaned up my life more it made my
life better it made my relationships
better it strengthened my testimony and
it strengthened my faith and I had gone
through a mission and I had seen
people's lives change for the better and
I had seen them rely on principles that
were brought forth through the restored
gospel and not just in Christianity in
general and not just in an existence of
God though that was part of it of course
but through the restored gospel through
Joseph Smith and I can't deny those
things and I don't I can't deny what I
felt I can't deny what I saw I can't
deny the what I know those individuals
went through and what I went through as
I as I passed through those experiences
and any amount of fact or fiction that
is thrown at me has got to go up against
that and I can then take that fact or
fiction and I can work through it and I
can spend some time and eventually try
and fit it into a puzzle and see if it
fits or if it doesn't fit now if I don't
have that experience if I don't have the
personal day-to-day spiritual experience
where I have learned to lean on the Lord
and lean on gospel principles then my
belief is not going to carry me through
it's not going to be enough I have to
have experience with success I have to
have experience with success in gospel
principles and then I can start looking
at things things these things a little
differently and little by little grow
that puzzle or that tree if you will if
we're talking about Alma and his
experiment little by little that can
grow more and more and as these pieces
of the puzzle come in I can fit them in
somewhere or you know what they don't
fit or I put them on the shelf and wait
and to try and study a little bit more
and see if I can fit them into things
there is no question that we don't know
everything that the brethren don't know
everything and that the books that are
written by General Authorities and
Mormon scholars don't have all of the
answers but the more you study these
things and especially the scriptures the
more you delve into them the more you
start seeing certain patterns and you
start seeing a puzzle that forms and you
start understanding what is fact and
what is fiction and you start saying to
yourself well I already know that this
is true now I have leaned on all of this
I know this intellectually and you can
say something that doesn't make any
sense and it's gonna bounce off because
too much of it is already true too much
of the puzzle is already in place I can
see enough of the puzzle that is sound
and true that if you try and put
something in that says the puzzle is a
different image I already know you're
wrong and I know that from personal
experience I know that from being told
by the spirit I know that intellectual
from studying and so that to me is how
faith is built
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