Come Follow Me LDS- 1 Corinthians 1 7 Pt 2

'Paul's Family Proclamation'
- Continuation on 'Mysteries'
- The Veil and The Body of Christ
- Paul's Marital Advice on Physical Relationships


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in this episode we're going to talk

about Paul's family proclamation there

we go in this episode we're going to

discuss first Corinthians chapters four

through seven where we get a little bit

of an idea of what we might call Paul’s

family proclamation now he carries this

proclamation throughout Corinthians and

beyond into some of the other epistles

as well but we get a real basis here a

little bit about men and women and the

order of the family and so we're going

to discuss that here in this episode but

we're gonna start off here in chapter

four which starts right off again with

the mysteries of god that we discussed

in the last episode here's what it says

it says let a man so account of us as of

the ministers of Christ and stewards of

the mysteries of God well who are the

stewards of the mysteries have a couple

of thoughts on that first it would

certainly be the priesthood holders

especially the Brethren right those that

have the keys of prophet seer and

Revelator but it might also be looked at

as those that are stewards are those

that have made the covenants so that's

men and women who have gone through the

mysteries that is they've gone all the

way through the ordinances of the temple

or even partially they've been baptized

that would in a sense also be a mystery

a way to think about mysteries is

we've talked about the temple and that's

kind of the core of it but there's a

couple ways to look at this first of all

mysteries are mysteries because they are

beyond the veil in other words they come

from heaven and they're veiled right so

we can look at that symbolically in the

temple as being from the Holy of Holies

with the sod as we discussed previously

the council in heaven in the

pre-existence that's where the mystery

came out the ordinances the principles

of the gospel the war in heaven all this

is about the mysteries and but in a

practical sense in an everyday sense we

are able to access the mysteries of God

through the veil every day we can do

that through prayer in a sense right we

can we can go through the veil and

receive there's a word for you re veil

Asian or revelation right it's coming

something that's coming back down to us

through the veil that's revelation and

we're all able to receive that for

ourselves for our own lives for our

families for our situations for the

world around us and he follows this up

with the same type of symbolism down

here in verse five he says therefore

judge nothing before the time until the

Lord come keep in mind it seems that

there is a real sense that the Lord is

coming very very soon here and that to

me is a principle it's a principle of

how you should live doesn't mean he's

coming right then you may be coming

hundreds or thousands of years later but

it seems that they believe that the Lord

here is going to be coming very shortly

he says who both will bring to light the

hidden things of darkness and will make

manifest the counsels of the hearts and

then shall every man have praise of God

so again it's kind of like bringing

things to light or revealing re veiling

things coming back through the

veil and this was the job of the high

priests in the in the in Judaism and in

the with the Israelites remember that

the high priests would wear a garment

and robes and these garment and robes

were a reflection of the veil it had the

same colors right red or scarlet purple

blue and the white linen and these were

representative of the different parts of

physical characteristics because the

veil represents physical matter and

that's what the high priests would wear

the priestly garment was the veil so to

speak and he's got the veil outside of

his body because his body is supposed to

be pure like the Holy of Holies and he

talks about these hidden things and

these seams of darkness coming to light

and he rolls out right into hypocrisy

and pride of course pride is a major

theme in the Book of Mormon and always

is it writes a matter of centering just

things on ourselves and focusing on

ourselves instead of focusing outside of

ourselves which is crucial that's where

truth is and he says the following he

says for who maketh thee to differ from

another in other words who makes you

unique what are your gifts that you have

been given that makes you different and

where do those gifts come from in other

words you as a person as an individual

everything that you have is a gift from

God and that's important to remember and

what half style that thou didst not

receive now if thou just receive it why

does thou glory as if thou hadst not

received it so you may have some

strengths we've talked a lot about

weaknesses and strengths he's going to

continue with this theme but the

strengths that you have are gifts one

way or another now you can say well I've

acquired these skills fine you've done

what is necessary to receive the gift

it's still the gift from God

because that plan and that process is

from him or you may have great health or

you may have a brilliant mind regardless

of what it is these are gifts from God

and he saying don't be puffed up about

this and going through that theme of

weakness he says here for I think that

God hath set forth us the Apostles last

in other words putting them in the

position of being last or as the

servants and those that are treated the

poorest at this time as it were

appointed to death for we are made a

spectacle unto the world into angels


we are fools for Christ's sake but ye

are wise in Christ we are weak but ye

are strong ye are honorable but we are

despised in other words because they are

the ones that are taking on the majority

of the responsibility with building the

church they're the ones that are have

the names out for good or for ill and

they take on the brunt of the criticism

and the stoning and the lashing and

eventually the death for many of them

and all the suffering because they are

the greatest servants in the church and

that's the way it's supposed to be now

that seems odd to us today we don't see

that with the Apostles for example now

we do a little bit right there's plenty

of criticism out there with the Apostles

but it's not to the point obviously that

Paul has gone through for example with

being stoned and thrown into jail

consistently now Joseph Smith on the

other hand right the one that was the

the call him the founder of the

restoration in a sense here on earth and

the one responsible for working with the

Lord in bringing about the restoration

of the gospel and building up the church

he did go through that right he did go

through these types of things that Paul

has gone through and it was eventually

killed because of what he believed and

what he was doing so the greatest among

us in that sense is kind of like what

Paul is saying here again is the weakest

in that sense or the most vulnerable the

most despised that's the role that they

take on and he's putting out a calling

card here again I made that phrase

before for example Moses who had a

speech impediment apparently although I

don't know that he really did Nephi says

the same thing right that he is he is

humble and imperfect we get the same

thing from Moroni and in Mormon

talking about how imperfect the records

are in the Book of Mormon and it's

because of the weakness

of men this is a calling card this is

something they're putting out there they

are being humble and submitting

themselves to something greater above

they're saying look this isn't from me

and that's what makes it a strength is

that they are weak because it's not from

them that's what they're pointing out it

is coming from somewhere else and they

don't quite live up to where that's

coming from

and he says something here that sounds

very familiar to us in verse 12 he says

and labor working with our own hands

being reviled and we bless being

persecuted we suffer it so it sounds a

lot like King Benjamin and he did the

same kind of thing right in that day of

atonement probably day of atonement type

of scenario in the Feast of Tabernacles

where they had all of the Tabernacles

all the booths the tents laid out in

front as there was a coronation with

Messiah and he talks about how he is the

least among them because he is serving

right he's the serving King he's the

servant King who is Christ mentioned as

in Isaiah he is the servant the

suffering servant and that is what is

being stated here they are in the

likeness of the Savior in that sense the

prophets and the apostles and then

quickly here he says something about a

father-and-son relationship or a father

and son daughter relationship really

which I find pretty interesting we have

the Savior who is the son now remember

he is not the son because he is

presented by his father who says behold

my only begotten son that is usually how

we think about it the son of God is a

title that has given to him not because

he is the son of the father which he is

but because he is the son of a mother

that's what the son of God means so

because he was born into mortality and

took on a body and then took on the sins

of the world and became a suffering

servant that is why he is the son

of God and Obinna dye makes that very

clear but here Paul starts talking about

how he is the father to those here in

Corinth that are following him he says

this he says for thou though ye have ten

thousand instructors in Christ yet have

ye not many fathers for in Christ Jesus

I have begotten you through the gospel

so through this relationship where they

have been born again and followed Paul

who follows Christ he's calling them his

sons and daughters and that he is the

father well Obinna dies does the exact

same thing with Jesus so sometimes we

get a little confused with the idea of

the Trinity and this is very possibly

kind of where this started to go in the

early church as the doctrine changed and

you ended up with one being with three

different characteristics right of the

Father the Son and the Holy Ghost a

Benetton I think it's in chapter 15 of

Messiah talks about how Christ is the

son because he's born of a woman and

he's also the father because we have

been begotten by him so who's we those

that are following him and we can talk

about being baptized in his name where

we are taking on his name right which

goes back to taking the Lord's name in

vain which I don't think has anything to

do with the word god it has to do with

taking on his name and acting as him and

if you do that in vain without purpose

then that's really where the sin is but

anyway just a tangent there so in this

sense we can see how maybe the Trinity

started to get a little bit implanted

with a Hellenistic Neo-Platonic

philosophy that was very prevalent at

this time in the Middle East and in the

West and in Greece and Rome and how here

Paul says he's the father we can see how

they would be saying that Christ was

their father

but then kind of all got pulled together

conflated together into one being that

would be very much in tune with the

philosophies of men of that day and then

he says something I think it's very

interesting here it sounds simple but in

verse 16 he says wherefore I beseech you

be ye followers of me so a better

translation to that is probably be ye

imitators of me and what does that mean

it means actors so again going to temple

imagery and drama when we talk about

drama we're talking about the plays and

the dramas of the temple which is what

the psalms is mostly all about and so

here he's saying be an imitator be an

act or act like me take on my role and

that's what we get with the temple

dramas right you have somebody a king in

the Queen of Judah or of Israel that

would act as themselves as the temporal

king and queen they would act as Jehovah

the king of kings and then they would

act as the men and women in the


yeah just like an Adam and Eve would

write we are all Adam and Eve Adam and

Eve can be Adam and Eve but really their

primary function is that they're us we

are Adam and Eve literally we are Adam

and Eve and we go through what Adam and

Eve go through and all of us have so

temple drama a very important principle

and interpreter that I use that we can

find throughout the scriptures and he

finishes up here in chapter 4 in verses

20 and 21 saying well how is it that I'm

gonna come to you remember he's writing

to them in this epistle and he's saying

do I come to you shall I come unto you

with a rod or in love and in the spirit

of meekness so we think of that

sometimes if you're a parent you may

think of that as or a boss how am I

going to approach my children or my

subordinates do I come in with love and

meekness and put my arm around them

do I need to come with a rod in this

instance and we can think about that rod

right what is the rod well a rod would

be something that would be used we can

think first of all for example with a

rod of a shepherd the rod of a shepherd

or that staff would be used to guide the

Sheep right oh you're getting off pace

here you're getting off of the path

knock-knock-knock on the side here right

get back over right a rod was used often

times or at least implied to be used by

especially men fathers with their

children and to correct them or at least

that was the idea right that it would be

used for that the rod was used for a

king and what did that rod represent it

represented authority and judgment right

that is the judgment if you're off that

path you're doing something wrong then

here's the rod and so we can think of

also Lehigh's dream even with the rod of


what is the rod of iron it's the Word of

God and as we've talked a lot about the

law and what comes along with that his

judgment right it's the tree of the

knowledge of good and evil so when you

have the rod he's talking about the rod

of iron we can be thinking about hanging

on to the rod it may be that we're

walking up along the rod that's a real

possibility or we're hanging on to the

rod the rod is the Word of God and that

rod has judgment attached to it so kind

of an interesting little point of view

on that and then over here in Chapter

five we need to know that Paul is

responding to either a letter more

likely a letter or even a personal visit

from a disciple named Chloe and she had

gone over several points of what's going

on in Corinth and Paul is addressing

these things so fornication becomes a

pretty big deal here in Corinth and by

the way this is an adult-like

episode because Paul talks about adult

things here so I'm going to broach those

things but he says here that there's a

man that had married his stepmom right

so his father had married another woman

perhaps his first wife the

there's first wife was they'd got

divorced or she passed away and he

ended up marrying a second wife or third

who knows could have even banded the

sons when he was born in in childbirth

that the first that his mom actual mom

passed away that would not be uncommon

but Paul's not real happy about it right

he wants to talk about order and

structure and things that we don't do

especially with marriage and family and

so he's not real happy about her and he

goes down and he talks a little bit

about how we associate with those that

are fornicators or how we associate with

those who are not following and toeing

the line so to speak and it gets a

little bit confusing so we want to be

clear here on how this works is we want

to make sure that we're taking very much

a Christ-like point-of-view here and

reading some of Paul's words here it can

be a little bit confusing and he goes

back and talks again about pride and

about being puffed up now this is

important to point here I think that had

an interview last week with someone who

has worked a lot with a 12-step program

and they went over a couple things that

I found were really interesting and very

appropriate for the scriptures one is

that you've got to find a mentor right

you have to search for something outside

yourself in most cases people that are

involved with a 12-step program are

there because they're looking for

something outside of themselves and they

use drugs or alcohol or sex or whatever

it might be to try and fill that void

and because they don't find it the

happiness inside of themselves but part

of the 12-step program is saying look

you do need to look outside of yourself

you're just looking in the wrong place

you're using the wrong things and your

first thing you need to do is you need

to find a mentor somebody who is going

already going through this process and

who can help guide you need an

example and you need support somebody

who's reaching down and pulling up right

so this goes to my idea of the fluid

hierarchy and then the last step in the

12-step process actually is that you're

reaching down so now that you found a


for somebody that is supporting you

now need to find somebody that you can

help in both cases you're kind of

serving you're looking outside of

yourself when you're looking for someone

you can reach to the other you're

reaching down to pull somebody up and so

there's a hierarchy of hierarchical

structure that is put into place a

hierarchal structure of service a

hierarchical structure of reverence and

humility and strength and power the

opposite of doing that is to be puffed

up and to be proud and so he combines

this with well again what we've heard

about in the Gospels about unleavened

bread and leavened bread this is what he

says and ye are puffed up and have not

rather mourned that he that hath done

this deed married his stepmom might be

taken away from among you so he's saying

look this is someone who needs to be

removed from the congregation that's his

judgment on this situation and he says

down here in verse 6 your glorying is

not good so you can see people may be

like oh this is a great thing this is he

loves her they're in love you see it's

about a lot of situations today right

where there's kind of a celebration of

things that may not be proper and he

said he calls it glorying which is not

good here and then he says know ye not

that a little leaven leaveneth the whole

lump in other words a little bit of

yeast in the bread causes the entire

loaf to be puffed up that's where

they're saying when they say puffed up

or with leavened bread that's the idea

behind the love and bread is that it's

puffed up as in being proud it's also

used for a term of hypocrisy as well

which is I'm going to tell others

outside of me how things should be but I

have I'm proud and I can follow my own

judgment and my own rules for myself and

therefore I am hypocritical so we find

that in the Gospels also hypocrisy

aligned with love and bread but remember

where love and bread comes from and

unleavened bread comes from it's the

Passover and so in the Passover as you

would think about leavened bread and

unleavened bread remember that the

Israelites were in Egypt

and they snuck away in the middle of the

night they had to leave quickly and they

did not have time the thought on this is

they did not have time to wait for the

bread to rise and so all the bread would

be unleavened and so what it means is

look it's quick obedience its urgency to

the word of the Lord into the gospel to

the commandments obedience and not doing

that or in other words putting leaven in

the bread the yeast and the bread and

waiting for it to rise is saying I'm not

immediately responsive to the

commandments of God or getting out of

Egypt as fast as I can right I'm

thinking about myself and my own rules

he says purge out therefore the old

leaven that ye may be a new lump a new

loaf as ye are unleavened

for even Christ our Passover is

sacrificed for us so he is talking about

basically excommunication here with

people if they've crossed a certain line

he's saying there needs to be a rule

here for excommunication of course

there's plenty in the scriptures here to

talk about the proper process of

repentance as well but here he's talking

about excommunication he says here for

even Christ our Passover is sacrificed

for us so again he's tying in the

Passover or what is also called the

feast of unleavened bread therefore let

us keep the feast not with old leaven

neither with the leaven of malice and

wickedness but with the unleavened bread

of sincerity and truth right so if you

have over Passover the unleavened bread

these are all nuances meanings that go

along with that unleavened bread at the

Passover then he says that he's written

to them previously now we don't have

this letter that would be the true first

Corinthians so this is really second

Corinthians and second Corinthians early

third Corinthians so he's having to

write several times it would be

interesting to see if that letter was

ever found

if he's talking about a lot of the same

problems that just don't seem to get

fixed here in Corinth but he says here

but now I have written unto you not to

keep company this is interesting

seems like there's a

a little bit of a conflict here he says

I've written unto you not to keep

company if any man that is called a

brother that's a member be a fornicator

or covetous or an idolater or a railer

or a drunkard or an extortioner with

such an one no not to eat in other words

don't eat with that individual so we

might think about how Christ treated

this for Christ he sat with the sinners

and he ate with the sinners remember the

Pharisees were furious about this

Matthew was one of those sinners one of

his apostles who was a tax collector and

he sits with them and he talks to them

and says look who's in need of healing

who's in need of the physician it's

those that are sick he's talking about

spiritually sick but here Paul seems to

be saying don't even eat with these

people but what he very well may be

saying here is don't take the bread and

the water of the bread and the wine

don't have sacrament with them

so in other words just like in our

process here where we may be going

through a repentance process we may not

be partaking of the sacrament and that's

something that could very easily be what

is being discussed here but he's saying

look I mean you’re all kind of a

body here and he says in other places

and other epistles if there's a problem

with the arm cut off the arm right and

don't let it diseased the entire body so

to speak so there is definitely a

process for repentance if the person is

willing to repent but there is also a

process of separation if the person is

not going to repent then another one of

the issues that Chloe the disciple had

with Paul had told Paul about was that

she was saying that a lot of the members

were suing each other or you know like

there would be conflicts that's normal

and among those conflicts when they had

those conflicts they would take it to a

Gentile court to a Roman Court or a

Greek Court and Paul was saying don't do

that right we have our own set of rules

maybe our own ethics the Gentiles here

have very different values and so we

need to have our own courts and we need

to resolve these problems for ourselves

which is something that we do today as

well now not beyond the law of the land

of course here or anywhere else but we

do have our own courts in our own

process to try and fix things we have

counseling and bishops and state

presidents and actual courts if we need

them and then Paul comes back and

revisits the idea of our bodies and in

temples which he has this theme going on

throughout a lot of the epistles he says

here in verse 13 now the body is not for

fornication but for the lord and the

lord for the body in other words just

like you being unique with your

spiritual and your intellectual and

emotional gifts your body is a gift and

the body is for the lord and so you

don't take that and give it elsewhere

right that would be betraying him and so

he's using that as a metaphor for

fornication now it also means actual

fornication here but it's also saying

you are an adulterous generation so to

speak right and he's using the body with

that now that what that really means is

you're breaking your covenants with the

Lord when they say that you're an

adulterous generation he says here then

in verse 14 and God hath both raised up

the Lord and will also raise us up us by

his own power so look you're going to

have a body that is perfected why are

you going to defile it know ye not that

your bodies are the members of Christ so

the body members of Christ right his

body is we are part of his body in that

sense that has a lot to do with the

sacrament by the way that we partake of

every Sunday but another thing to

remember is is that he previously said

to take on the body of Christ to take

off take on Christ upon us we talked

about that as an allusion to

the garment the temple garment I think

that's very true and here he's talking

about us being a part of Christ and

that's also a representation of the

garment remember that when Christ's body

when he was pierced in the side with a

spear that that happened in one place so

he had the piercing of the spear and

then in another gospel we get the veil

in the temple is rent when he dies so in

both cases we have a splitting of the

veil or the body it's the same thing

right so are our bodies in a sense are

the veil and the garment represents that

body of a garment represents that veil

just like the high priests robes would

be worn and were similar if not almost

identical to what the veil was and the

Temple of Solomon and he follows up here

and says shall I then take the members

of Christ that's us

and make them the members of an harlot

god forbid what know ye not that ye that

he which is joined to an harlot is one

body for to say if he shall be one flesh

that's a reference back to Genesis right

Genesis 2 I think and so here it's you

know a man shall leave his mother and

his father and shall cleave unto his

wife and the them Twain or those two

shall become one flesh well there's a

lot of ways to look at that number one

in a physical sense of course we are

joined together through a sexual

experience and our bodies in a sense

become one now on a spiritual and an

emotional level it's the same way our

spirits and emotionally and even

intellectually perhaps we are becoming

more one we get to know each other very

very well and we trust each other and we

support each other and we become one

being in a sense or two parts of one


since and then lastly we can also look

at a man and a woman creating one flush

right your DNA your genes the proteins

and amino acids and everything that

come from you and that together create a

child a baby that child in a sense is

one flesh right from two from the two of

you and down in verse 19 he says what

know ye not that your body is the temple

of the Holy Ghost which is in you and

again this goes back to our body is

actually the temple and our body isn't

like the temple that we go to for the

ordinances but the temple that we go to

for the ordinances is like our body our

bodies are the true temples that's what

is eternal which he have of God so it's

given to us from God and ye are not your


so again these are gifts everything

comes from somewhere else and he says it

is bought with a price that would be the

atonement then in chapter 7 he goes

through some of the practices that he

believes he talks about this as being

suggestions right it's kind of like a

word of wisdom or the way the word of

wisdom used to be about marriage and

about sex and about fornication and he

says here in verse 1 this is kind of

hard to understand I'll try and unpack

us a little bit he says now concerning

the things whereof ye wrote unto me and

then it's a colon here it says it is

good for a man not to touch a woman or

is it good for a man not to touch a

woman well the answer here is different

than you might think it is because what

they're basically saying is for a

married couple is abstinence okay and

this would be something that would have

been a thread of sacrifice that would

sometimes be made right you can see this

going back to like the monks the

Catholic monks even right where are they

or the eunuchs where there is a full

life pledge to abstinence well what

could happen at times is that a married

couple might say look we're going to

abstain from physical relationship a

physical relationship at least for a

while as part of kind of like a fast

right that we're going to do this to

help purify ourselves in a way but

here's his answer he says nevertheless

to avoid fornication let every man have

his own wife and let every woman have

her own husband so he's saying this

might not be such a good idea long term

and then he makes us pretty clear this

goes back to the two of you becoming one

flesh a man or a woman becoming more

flesh he says let the husband render

unto the wife due benevolence well that

would be his body what it's saying and

likewise also the wife unto the husband

so he's giving us some marital advice

here part of the family proclamation but

maybe with a little bit more candor than

the version from the 1990s and then in

verse 4 it says the wife hath not power

of her own body but the husband Oh what

is this saying well let's follow through

on the verse here and it says and

likewise also the husband hath not power

of his own body but the wife right

because they are one flesh in other

words you are you're of each other and

in verse 5 defraud ye not one the other

that means do not abstain from the other

except it be with consent for a time

that you may give yourselves to fasting

and prayer so that's kind of like that

idea of abstinence for a short time

that you're trying to be more pure and

more spiritual and come together again

that Satan tempt you not for your

incontinency so he's saying look it's a

bad idea to try and go through Aston's

for a long period of time and he says

specifically here though he says but I

speak this by permission and not of

commandment this is his advice then he

says something interesting here he says

that I would that all men were even as I

myself but every man hath his proper

gift of God one after this

and another after that what apparently

he is saying here is that he is right

now single and maybe he's been for a

long time we don't know for sure but

maybe he is able to conquer his lusts

and his physical drives a lot more than

a lot of men are able to do it's so he's

saying you know it would be great if you

could be like me

in this sense not sure if I'd agree with

that but and then he goes and he gives

advice here for those that are unmarried

and that our widows and it's good for

them if they abide even as I so alone

and single now keep in mind here that

what he's saying again this is not

commandant he's giving advice and it's

very possible even likely that he is

expecting the coming of the Lord in a

very short period of time and so that's

not what's going to happen but that is

kind of what he's thinking it looks like

and so he's saying look what's the point

he's gonna be here pretty soon and

everything's gonna be different so

context is important with what he's

saying here he's saying if you cannot be

like me he says but if they cannot

contain themselves basically let them

marry for it is better to marry than to

burn or to burn with desire so he's

being very practical here right he's

saying look these are these are physical

drives these are passions that we all

have and they're dangerous if they're

not put on course so if that's the issue

then make sure you put them on course

that's the most important thing and then

he follows up with the couple the

married couple that has one believer and

one non-believer so a part member family

and he gives this advice in verse 12 he

says but to the recipe guy not the Lord

so this is also his advice he says if

any brother hath a wife so any member

have a wife that believeth not and she

be pleased to dwell with him let him not

put her away and the woman which hath an

husband will that believeth not and if

he be pleased to dwell with her

let her not leave him so he's saying

look this union of marriage is paramount

so don't let the idea that somebody is

not going to be a believer get in the

way of that marriage as long as you love

each other and you support each other

here he says in verse 14 for the

unbelieving husband is sanctified by the

wife and the unbelieving wife is

sanctified by the husband elsewhere your

children unclean but now are they holy

so in other words you've got a member of

the family a parent and adult that is a

believer and that is abiding by the

covenants and that will create an

influence with the spouse and with the

children that is has eternal

ramifications so there is a role to be

played there in verse 16 for what

knowest Thou O wife whether thou shalt

save thy husband or how knowest Thou O

man whether thou shalt save thy wife and

that is what we're supposed to be doing

right we're supposed to be saviors also

then he talks about those that are have

never been married and he says look I

mean if you've never been married maybe

stay that way if you are married then

stay that way and again this kind of

goes along with his idea this is not by

commandment he's very specific about

this it's just kind of a proclamation by

him and he's in a place where he

believes that the Savior it looks like

is going to be coming very shortly so

it's like why why change things very

much here he's talking about the

circumcised you don't need to become

circumcised and the uncircumcised don't

need to be circumcised the Unser the

circumcised don't need to try and

reverse which is something that some

people did try to do reverse their

circumcision it's like just kind of stay

where you're at it's all okay

circumcised circumcision doesn't matter

anymore and this is actually interesting

because it's tied to the Doctrine and

Covenants where Joseph Smith is talking

about infant baptism and so if you go to

the Old Testament with the Joseph Smith

translation he actually ties

circumcision which happens on the eighth


after birth - baptism which should be

happening on the eighth year after birth

and so you get this idea that okay they

believed that the child the male child

here needed to be sanctified had to be

made holy and you know getting that idea

for the Jews out of their minds that

okay we're not going to circumcise a

male baby would be a very very difficult

change right you would feel I think

guilty is a soul engrained in in your

idea of covenant with God but it's

interesting that that is kind of tied to

baptism by Joseph Smith and what ends up

happening with the church over time is

that infant baptism starts to take place

and you get this idea just like the Jews

had here of having to be circumcised for

a baby to be circumcised we then get in

place of that it looks like this idea

that there needs to be infant baptism

that we need to make the child in the

Covenant and baptized immediately which

we know is definitely not the case and

in fact it is preached against by many

prophets so this is kind of the

beginning of the unfolding of Paul's

family Proclamation he talks a lot about

marriage he talks about the order of

marriage and how important that is

and the two becoming one and what are

some of the practices and beliefs of

some of the conflicts that married

couples might run into

and he'll continue with this and talk

more about gender roles for example men

and women and the family throughout

Corinthians and some of the other

epistles I'll talk to you next time


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