$2.1 Billion and No Answers: The "Nick Shirley" Of The Navajo

Frankie Davis is the Nick Shirley of the Navajo Nation. She speaks out on alleged misuse of government funds. Is this another "Minnesota?" Alleged billions lost.

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With all that's gone on with the fraud in Minnesota, Frankie Davis, a member of the Navajo Nation, brings some strong
claims on money being funneled through the leaders of the Navajo Nation. We're not talking about a small amount of
money. We're talking about tens and tens of millions of dollars. She pulls up charts, scribbles down notes, and makes
you really think, is this another place where there is just mountains of money,
mountains of federal money and tax dollars that are going to waste through fraudulent efforts, alleged fra fraudulent efforts? It makes you think,
is this another place where federal tax dollars spending is going and may not be going to the right places, allegedly?
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Here we go. Right,
welcome to Quick Show. My name is Greg Matson and I am your host. In this episode, we have Frankie Davis, known on YouTube as Navajo Grandma. She's got
some very interesting things to talk about between the federal government,
the funds, and what's going on with the Navajo Nation. Frankie, welcome to the show. Thank you.
And would you like to introduce yourself in Navajo?
I would like to. My name is uh Frankie Davis, Navajo Grandma on YouTube, but I'm gonna say this in Navajo.
Dessie Frankie Davis.
Thank you. Awesome. Great. All right. All right.
So, I want to get right to the heart of the matter here. I want to start off with the federal funds. I think this is what's really fascinating and obviously it's affecting people in your your
people, your your the Navajo Nation, but there are funds, a lot of funds,
hundreds of millions of dollars that are being sent from the federal government to the Navajo Nation. What is happening
with those funds? Do we know where all of them are? seems to be that there is some uh discrepancy on a lot of these funds.
There definitely is. And if you don't mind, I would like to show you uh my my
my work here to let you see uh this is what I I wrote down and I love to teach my subscribers this way.
But uh okay, anyways, let me go ahead and read this to you. Now we are concerned about the ARPA funds that the
federal government gave to the Navajo Nation. Okay. The ARPA ARPA stands for the American Rescue Plan Act 2021.
It was approximately $2.1 billion. And this is when Biden was president.
And the first payment to the Navajo Nation was May 2021
bill 861,54,458.43 billion. Now the money to be dist was to
be distributed to 110 chapters to recover from COVID and projects and programs negatively impacted by COVID.
Then the second payment it uh uh to the Navajo Nation was August 2021
at the tune of 217 million 97,0650
million. Now, if this amount was not fully used, it was to be returned to the federal government by 2026.
Then to prevent it uh or preventing returning to the the unused portion of
this ARPA fund, the Navajo Nation Council made it into discretionary funds
again to cover COVID effects. then for housing, food, transportation,
firewood, hay, renovations, and so forth.
Okay. So, let me ask you a question on this, Frankie. What? Sure.
The first of all, that's $2 billion in those two payments. That's over $2 billion. 2.1.
What does $2 billion do for first of all, just for CO? What what what are what are the actions of the Navajo Nation to recover from COVID? And how
6 minutesdid they use the $2 billion to recover from co do you and if I could tell you I would
be happy. Uh that is a lifelong question we've been asking since the money was
offered or given to the Navajo Nation and no one there was no definition no of
what was used. It said programs and you know uh it's it's sad we they will they
refuse to define how it was used.
So I that's it's a you can ask a Navajo Nation Council. They can't even tell you
and and I've questioned them. The speaker of the house I've questioned law and order and no one the judicial
department. anybody and everybody I've I've interviewed, they they don't even have an inkling.
Okay. So, so $2 billion, we're not sure what it's used for. Um, whatever was not going to be used for CO and who knows
how they used that for CO. There was going to the rest was going to go into discretionary funds that would go directly to the Navajo people and and help them with basic needs and and
different things like that. Also, I wanted to ask uh RFKJ Robert Kennedy Jr. was was also
involved with this, correct? I mean, in terms of finding out what was going on,
why all this money was sent to you and where it was. Can you go over that a little bit? I think you actually had a discussion with him.
Yes. Well, we did approach them uh and we his office and he did state that um
they are aware at this point. Uh let me if you don't mind me doing so I'm going
to turn to that page of when I um contacted him and then he and his
statement was um he did okay let's let's go over this one
okay um we did uh contact them in April
and we are finally getting responses now with letters or email and we got a from
the health minister Kennedy and his phone uh conversation was that he cannot
ex he cannot explain what they are going to do and to keep uh quiet about this
and his I I can read you the letter if you want it says dear Miss Davis my my Navajo who
my paternal Navajo name is a henba and he says, "Thank you for your letter to Senator Robert F. Kennedy. He had a friend of mine just regurgitate this,
but anyways, regarding your concerns about potential fraud, waste, and abuse among leaders within the Navajo Nation
tribal government, he has asked me to respond to you on his behalf." He was he already told me he was going to have
Philip Smith, you know, talk to me about this. We appreciate your efforts in bringing them this matter to your attention. Please be assured that all
allegations in this nature of this nature are regarded when with the utmost seriousness. Your complaint and the
information you have provided will be subject to a thorough review in accordance with our established procedures in alignment with federal
statutes and agency policies. We are obligated to uphold strict confidentiality regarding investigations.
Consequently, we are unable to share specific details about our review process, confirm whether on an an
investigation has been initiated or disclose any findings or content. We
appreciate your cooperation in bringing this matter to our attention. Assigned Philip B. Smith. Now, Philip Smith, like
I said, I knew him at BYU and uh he's been in Maryland, Bethesda, Maryland forever and ever. And now, I don't know that that really answered a lot about,
you know, pres about uh let's see about uh Robert Kennedy. Yep.
But then here's another one, a response which is exciting. It was the US Department of Justice from the criminal
division. It says Miss Frankie Akenba uh PO box in Provo. Dear Miss Aen, Miss
Mr. Dear Miss Aenba, thank you for your letter dated July 6, 2025
concerning possible fraud in the Navajo Nation. If you believe that the matter may con constitute federal criminal
activity, you should contact the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, the investigative arm of the Department of
Justice. The FBI will determine whether a federal investigation may be warranted. If appropriate, the FBI will
refer the matter to a a United States attorney for a final determination regarding legal action. We appreciate
you taking the time to share your concern. We hope this information is helpful. Uh, sincerely, correspondent,
manager, staff, office of administrator.
Okay. And has that gone to the FBI at all? Have we have has that moved to the FBI? Uh, it about two days ago.
About two days ago. Okay. So, there is now is there an open investigation then by the FBI?
Okay. This is just hearsay. I'm going to rep repeat. Okay.
12 minutesI don't I know that because I talk with and I hear through the grape vine because we you know we try to stay back
and work with the grassroot people and the rumblings in the council is that
people are kind of getting scared because they said somebody has caused an audit of the Navajo Nation.
And so, uh, they're trying to figure out who it is and they are trying to, uh, I
get put themselves together, but everyone is a is scared, running scared right now because there has been
previous, you know, uh, special counsel and audits done.
So, so the people, Frankie, the people that would be running scared would be the people involved with the money.
Oh, yeah. And that's a judicial, that's a legislative, the council, and the executive knows about it now.
Okay. So, and everything you've seen,
all right, because I know you're involved with with with the people there in the Navajo Nation. From everything you've seen, that money has not trickled down to the people. Correct.
No.
So, it's been everyone says it's gone into their pockets. And but let me let can do you mind if I show you the
history of why this happens. Okay.
Here again I hope I you can see it but here is uh the waste fraud and abuse of
federal funds. There were this is their history. 142 face charges and slush fund
scandal. These were the Navajo Councilmen. two massive Navajo corruption conspiracy case cases. Three,
78 and current former Navajo Nation councilman charged with $36 million in discretionary funds intended for Navajos
in need. Four, ARPA funds waste fraud and abuse. Five, Navajo Council urges
investigation into zeni homes. This is with Buun Nigron. Six, President Buun
Nigron avoiding embezzlement. These are just uh you know Navajo time things.
Number seven, 21 July 2025. Bu Nigran asked by council where the 2.1 billion
was where the 24 million had gone. He refused to answer and walked out on the Navajo council as well as the Navajo people. Eight. the speaker of the house,
honorable Curley, involved in Zenih scandal plus Boo's self-appointed
administration, which he had no right to do. He there not he's not supposed to just pick and choose whom he wants to,
you know, pay horrible tremendous high uh money to for just to sit in his office and what
whatever they do. They're not doing anything for the people.
So Frankie, it look it looks like there is a a large amount of I mean based on what you're showing here, there could be a large amount of corruption happening
at the highest levels of the Navajo Nation today. But it showed also that this has been going on maybe for a long time, decades. It looks like to me
it's a history. Yes. And uh now now remember okay so the no one has done
anything and I've been out and about and we there's three of us women the only one with integrity uh basically have
created resolutions. Now, I would give you the resolution, but my phone is off and whatever. But on November 21st, we
are going to go to Baka Puit and we are going to finally have that made into
law, which is we want criminal background checks. Okay. Number two, we
want to make sure that the judicial appointees, judges, prosecutors, whoever
are appointed and not handpicked to protect one another in Wendle Rock,
Arizona. See, this is what they do.
They've been protecting each other. And when they did this, 142 of them, you
know, the the councilman when they were found and the special prosecutor totally did an audit of each one of them, they were protecting one another,
one another, one another. And that was the whole scenario. 250,000 here,
450,000 here. you know, they completely set it up themselves to make sure if
omebody fell, the other one would speak and say, "Oh, he didn't do it." You know, whatever. But it didn't work. They
all went to they one went to prison. The others did not uh they had an attorney
of of of the current administration, one went to prison.
There's eight. No, of 88 councilmen. Now there's then because of that they
whittleled it down to 24. Now the 24 are doing twice the embezzling.
Okay. So so there there has been investigation into this these funds before and how they've been used.
Okay. But but but still it's a trail that keeps seems to keep happening because and it sounds like it's because
of the system that is set up and you're trying to make those changes to change that system so that you can't just create a little cabal within within the
nav the highest levels of the Navajo Nation.
Yes. It it's it's sick. And this is what they do now because it's happening
there. Then you got to remember this large scale has now gone to the chapter
level. The chapter level is doing the same thing now. And this is I if you want I would
this is the level down the local levels of of the nation. Correct.
Yes. There's 110 chapters in the novel nation. Now I'm going to show you this is the the
waste fraud and abuse by in through the chapter level. Okay. Now I'm just going
to take my chapter for example. I can tell you I've been through every chapter and they have the same exact problems.
The number one in our chapter the previous chapter president and I name names I don't care. I'm saying it. Reena
M. Murphy embezzled thousands of discretionary funds up to around 150,000.
Uh these are federal funds ne and she was never prosecuted and she's still working at the chapter. You're not supposed to do that.
Okay. I just want to make sure so that we're clear on this. This is these are your accusations that you're saying this is not this is there has not been a a conviction or anything on these.
Uh no, it was done front and center in the newspapers. Okay. Okay. Now then, Reena, you know,
this is I can these are everything I'm telling you has sources. Okay. I'm this is not hearsay. Okay.
Reena Murphy's cousin, the president cse, which is the commu community service coordinator. Her name is Janice
Arthur and she was questioned by the voting members with this month in PBlo Pentado about 39,000
that no one knows what what happened to Reena and Janice are cousins. Okay. Now,
three, the vice president with no background check, uh, you know, he died
recently, but he while he was drunk, he killed an an 18-year-old Navajo girl and
Janice allowed him to continue working and his hand was never I mean, nothing ever happened. Number four, Janice
Arthur, the CSC has has and continues to be criminally criminally negligent,
abusing chapter members, refuses to allow certain chapter members to apply for discretionary funds uh for home renovations, food, wood, hay for horses,
water, help of any sort. She yells at these people. These are voting members and chases people out of the chapters.
Now, she's I did uh I did uh well, she did that to me and uh did that to the
wrong person, as you can tell. And then I went and I made a police report
because she threw things at me. She had never met me before. And um anyways, I
report made several police reports and by some weird chance the the reports went missing. They said,
"Oh, we don't know what happened to them." Okay. So then um that was one of the problems that occurred and then I
went to the ethics in Washington or in Window Rock. I made a report on everybody. Okay.
You know how they say poo flows downhill? Well, here Pugo flows uphill.
So, we went up from Janice to her SSP and a Miss Kintney.
Then another level up with a community service people Candace Yazy who is the in bed with Boo and in trouble and they
have a subpoena for her. and then on up the the ladder where it finally get gets
to Boon Nigron and everything every one of these people I asked them and I said
what happened? I mean are you not looking at this woman and their history and and the previous presidents? These
people are embezzling. They're criminally negligent. They're doing everything you can think of. And you know what their response is? She is a
Navajo Nation employee and we have to protect her. Are these individuals elected?
Yes. And they hold their Here we are.
They hold their hand to the square and they speak their oath. I've I included that in all of the ethics reports. I sent that.
The ethics report where is that? Is that to the Navajo Nation or is that to the the FBI or the federal government?
Yeah. No, it's the the proper procedure you have to go through is to go through window rock first. Okay. And
that's where uh no one now because nothing was being done. I I spoke and
made an appointment with the speaker of the house, honorable Curley. Now remember, Honorable Curley is in trouble
herself misusing federal funds with boo. And so at this point, I mean, what's what is the point when I'm trying to say, hey,
what happened, you know, chapter level and she just sat there and said, "Well,
I don't know. Um, you'll have to just wait for the report." I said, "You know what? You guys have to do something
because there's only two people. They have five or six, three to four foot
high of ethics reports no one has gone through and it's horrible. So anyway,
why why are not more people involved like you are in trying to figure out what's going on? I mean, if this has been going on for decades
and it's really bad right now and all this corruption is going on, why are there not more Navajos trying to protest
this? I will tell you just take for instance everything that I
say about my chapter is 110 chapters everything is exact.
Janice Arthur is believed to be a witch w a witchcraft woman, a a skinw walker and she,
you know, commits all these witch things on the people because they said when they go in there and she witches them,
all of a sudden their neck hurts or their arm breaks. And so I I mean I I don't know that this woman said she came out and she couldn't hear out of her ear
because Janice, you know, did something to her. And it's a fear. Okay, fear is
25 minutesreally huge. Plus, where is the the police?
That's their auntie. I mean, how are you going to get that done? So, I said,
"Then call the federal police." But no one knows what that means. Even though
you got to remember we're we're educated but even though they've gone to high school it doesn't click here where they
can actually go outside the Navajo Nation and they see but you know what we are told we are sovereign and you know
in some in some states like in California the police will not answer because they say you people are
sovereign we can't we can't interfere attorneys don't even dare step on the, you know, on the reservation lens. So,
people have such different perspectives. And then not only fear of retaliation,
here's another one. The retaliation is you talk to me like that, you report me,
you are not going to get any food, you are not gonna get hay, you are not gonna get any. In fact, she this is what um this woman uh Janice told the people.
I'm not giving you the paperwork to or to apply for discretionary funds. And then she gives all of this to her family and friends to mock the people and say,
"See what happens? Try it. Just try it.
This is Yeah. So the hierarchy of of of those in authority have got have got all the control totally within the Navajo Nation and also I
would imagine from a from a perspective of community you don't want to be uh you don't want to be ostracized.
Nope.
Right. Even even even as the food and everything else obviously is very important but you don't want to be ostracized from the community.
It's part of your identity and everything else. People push you to the outside and you have shame thrown on you. That that's a problem too.
Yeah. But it's all power, greed, and control by chapter level, Navajo Nation level. You know, when I talked to the
speaker of the house, I was told, "Don't do that. She's going to call the police on you and jail you for whatever reason she wants." I, in fact, I even told
Honorable Curly, I said, "I was told you're going to jail me because I'm sitting here eyeball to eyeball speak,
you know, presenting the situation." And are you really going to because you know what? I can call the federal police and
you have to have a good reason to uh to arrest me for coming and asking about the ethics department and she qu and I
said is this true that you would do that? She just put her head down and she wouldn't answer.
Okay. So let's drop down to the next level here. Frankie all that's been happening here the lack of funds being distributed. If the funds are being
hoarded by a small group of people and those in authority, the chapter leaders and up and above into into the uh what do we call the the the head of the
Navajo Nation? What what is what is his role? What is his title?
Well, he's the executive and he is the president. The president of the Navajo Nation.
Okay. So, the president and his cabal and everybody around them, if they're hoarding all of this money,
then obviously the money is not not trickling down to where it needs to go. What are the consequences of this?
Right? What what are the consequences of that money not getting down to the people?
The consequences and and and can I show these to you? Yes.
This is what happens and this is where I stepped in again. And um the consequence is there's no food.
Okay. And I we went and used our own savings. We had I put Pueblo Pentado
Eastern Agency food delivery and these are some of the elderly people. Now they're taking boxes of food out and
that's how I hope this is answering your question. Uh there's no food. Yeah.
Um and here is some of the food in my truck. We were filling We were filling up our truck. So you're supplying the food?
Yes. That should be supplied by the by the Navajo Nation by the chapters. Yeah.
And the money the money is not getting there. The food is not getting there. Right. And then no one's getting help.
Now, this woman is the woman that uh her name is Matilda. She's the one that has 11 children, grandchildren. Her two
daughters are in jail. And uh she because of the foster program, the kids
are being raped and abused. And she said, "Not my children. I I don't care if I have a 10 by 20 house. They are gonna stay here." And so this is her.
And I I found her. I mean, I heard of her over and over. She lives in this 10 by 20 house with all of the children.
And there's trash. 12 people. 12 people living in there.
Yeah. Trash everywhere. So, we cleaned up the yard uh with the kids and then we
are funding this. And this is a part of the reason why I want help and I need help because we're not trying to take over the Navajo Nation and say, "Okay,
now we're going to be the discretionary fund." Some of these people are in such desperate situations that I feel that
these two women need help. But she's needing a two the extending extending
her 2.5 bedroom and there's a Navajo man who is a contractor a builder and he's
he said you know what I can't do it for less than uh 35,000 for basically build building actually
threebedroom then I mean in here I I'm showing you you know where the in the discretionary
funds. This is the ceiling. They're supposed to have the discretionary funds and the PEP people come in and fix this
roof. Now, right here, this is cardboard. And then right in the corner,
they have uh bugs coming in. And the kids say they they kill them every night
and they have a hard time sleeping. This is what the discretionary funds do.
Okay. So then the vehicle situation, she needs a fuel injector. Uh and you know
this that's a part of the stuff that we're trying to help with. And then remember there's no wood. Okay. So we
basically went up in the timber line ourselves, not the PEP, and we gathered
48 cords of wood, helping the elderly and veterans and families to get the wood. You guys cut the wood yourself.
Pardon?
You guys gathered and cut the wood yourself?
Oh yeah, we're we're doing this ourselves. I mean, we're chopping the wood if you can tell. And because they have no electricity.
Uh yeah, it's Yeah. in the Eastern Agency. No electricity. I'm just going to tell show you this is the wood uh
we've gathered and and here uh you know when you do this
there's a truck loaded with it and we deliver we delivered these and again
because there's no most of the people their electricity is disgusting here is
buigrin I you know when they said he walked out I This is uh he refused to answer the misuse of millions of ARPA
funds. Instead of answering, he just walked out on the council. That was in uh July. And here is the newspapers, the
Navajo Times, saying Nigan walks out mid address as council presses for answers on Zinny Holmes deal. Uh there's all
kinds of I I needed to show this to you because picture sale, they mean a lot.
And I'm sorry it's not super duper, but we're trying to put our sickle in. Not
that I tell the people I'm I'm here to Yeah. putting out a fire, but also in the process because, you know, I I'm
trying to teach them self-sufficiency right now. And that costs money to go there and traveling 75 miles to the
stores or to, you know, just to make sure that we have a place to stay and and then teaching
self-sufficiency to try to ward off the fact that to stop the dependency. Now, like I said before,
the government h ever since 1868 has taught Native Americans dependency.
It's just the way what they've taught.
Now, we're trying to unravel it and teach hard. That's a hard road to go down.
That is Well, you know what? We're having some success. We're going one at a time, but the people the women are the most
receptive and there's prayer uh understanding uh that you know there's a
lot of prayer teaching about Jesus Christ and they and prayer
not just to say the prayer that they do at the council meetings but that it comes from us. We fast and pray that
they will understand and breathe it in and make it a part. I'm trying to teach them to stop depending on the Navajo
Nation or the federal government, but to depending on yourself. That's the greatest blessing you will have. And
because I said, where's where's the chapter money? Where is the Navajo Nation now? They're not caring for you.
So, you have to take over and I'm putting out your fires and now let what is your plan? Because when I leave and
help somebody else, I'm not going to babysit you. You have to have a plan. So, we're trying to create a plan. Now,
it's hard to do that when you're out in the reservation. And what jobs are you going to have? And we're not allowed to
have businesses. It's ridiculous. And it it's it's a it is a hard road, but the
people really are receptive when you are honest with them and help them and they
actually have cleaned up their yards and I said, "How does it make you feel? I came here and there was garbage
everywhere and now we've cleaned this up. How does the children and people are saying, "Oh my gosh, it feels so wonderful." And that feeling of self,
you know, the psychological aspects to feel happy and to have hope that somebody is actually coming there
instead of the chapter president sitting and warming their seats 24/7 that I just told them. you when you give these jobs,
you need to be out there among the people on a daily basis finding out what they need, what they what what if
they're sick or not and the COVID thing keeps coming up. my and and then I they remember my grandfather who did this on
a daily basis and he was a Navajo Nation Councilman and he went to he tried so
hard to get the federal um people looking taking the 1868 treaty wherein
it does state. should anyone hurt or you
know in any way commit a crime against a Navajo person that they will be held
accountable. So my grandfather took this paper and you know his paper and he took it to Washington DC and laid it before
the Senate the Congress and said why aren't you adhering to these things? Our
own people are stealing from us they are criminal and here it's not the white people at
this point it's the people within. So anyways, that is what has been uh
exemplified for me and I don't mind going out there but my finances are
getting very very thin and but I'm having progress and I invite anyone and
everyone I will take you to every chapter you can. There's a woman who has
a trailer with no roof. it. She has painters plastic over her roof.
In the wintertime, it falls in and they just sweep it up. They freeze. It's horrible. We've had two elderly women who died of starvation this summer.
There was not one peep, no reports. It was left like that. No one cared.
Okay. So Frankie, so first of all, you know, concluding concluding this,
uh, and you're very passionate about that, and you should be, obviously, this is horrible. Um,
what I'd like to do is have you keep us up to date on what's happening with this FBI investigation. If that's occurring,
it'd be nice to know if that's actually being followed through on or if it's or if nothing's happening, right? Because something has to change. Obviously,
something here has got to change.
Secondly, uh to help these individuals out that you've profiled here, what what can people do? What can the audience do to help out?
Well, I'm sorry to say, but we need funds.
I see I trust myself. I I don't trust nobody on the Navajo reservation.
and I go and do what I say and it everything
the expenditures are there. I don't have a 501c3 or if that's what it's called and I
don't have the time to do that and and this problem it w is exacerbating on a
daily basis and I am there going back and forth and trying to make sure that
these things are being followed through um that I I just need funds and I have
So how do people get money to Okay, I am um it's a very simple I I
didn't write it down but you know I I don't know can you this is so horrible. This is my business card.
Okay.
And so it's a business. It sounds horrible to say that. This is Navajo Grandma and you my email address is
nativerepreservationonggmail.com and my post office box is PO Box 50561
Provo Utah84605 and that's where that's my business
address and I I'm just tell showing this to you that it it you know I represent
41 minutesthe Navajo people uh with a business called Da Ali and I fight for them to
have gas and oil and make sure that they're getting leases and fighting
Biden and everybody else that hate oil and gas. Um there's a lot that I do uh
as Navajo grandma. Um, and so I you know what I I asked God where where I needed to help and this is where he brought me.
And I look at the children and you hear them pray. It's not their fault.
And well, we'll see what we can do here on getting you some help. We'll put this out there and see if we can get you some help on this. Get some relief with some
of these individuals. I got a great audience and I think they want to help out. So, we'll put that information in the description box and and uh see what
see what we can pull from this. Okay. I appreciate you coming on the show. I I I understand there's real issues. You know, one of the things is is that in the broader US community,
we don't hear about these things, right?
You don't hear about the Native Americans and what's going on on the reservations and nobody talks about it.
And and and that might be good in some cases, but in some cases, this is a problem. and where there can be help given and a bridge built here to to help
out. I think that it's important that we can do that. So, I appreciate you coming on the show. One more thing. Yes, go ahead.
Even uh Washington DC said, "Oh, we I you know, we came to the Navajo Nation.
Everything was wonderful." I said, "You were doing photo ops." Okay. Yeah.
You are not hearing the people. You're not there in the grassroots where I am. And I'm listening and I'm interviewing.
I am I see I'm going to the horse's mouth. I It's nothing that's hearsay to
actually see what's happening and wondering how come and then going back to the leader saying why is this
happening and they just they just turn away. They don't have an answer. They just or get they get mad at you. And I
just said you know what this has got to stop. How in the heck are we going to do as Jesus? I used to hear this. What
would Jesus do? Well, I want to help and do what my savior did to help the helpless, the sick, the afflicted, you
know, and to bless them, teaching them to walk uprightly before him and to help in every way I can. And this is a legacy
I want to leave. If I I don't I don't want to die. I'm not going to die. I'm gonna be translated. But anyway, so here we are. We are uh and I and it's a
lovely duty. It it it's backbreaking and it takes a lot of time and it's like I
44 minutessaid, it's used up our funds, but somehow the miracles are incredible. Can I say one miracle?
Sure. Sure. Okay.
When we go, we pray always and we go fasting to help these people. We need the wisdom, the spiritual wisdom. When
I've gone out there and I fill up my gas from Provo to uh Farmington, then we
fill up again and there's only we make it all the way. But when we're driving everywhere, Cuba, uh, you know,
Farmington again and again, going from home to home, you trapesing wood around and feeding PE, you know, trying to help
these people. And um, I look at my my gas gauge and usually it'll say like
sometimes 225 or 150 miles left. And then I just I just ignore it. I just
tell the Lord, you know what? we're going to have success. I need your help.
We're low on gas, but you know what? I know everything's going to work out. I will go out and do a drive, you know, a
few miles. All of a sudden, I have noticed that it will come to 435
uh miles left. I just these things happen and they're incredible. People don't believe things like that can
happen. Miracles haven't ceased. And I see him and it was funny. Uh, Sister Gileadotti said, "Oh my gosh, God is
filling your gas." And I said, "You know what? He must be because how can you go
from 119 gallons of gas left all of a sudden you've you're you're at the end of the day, you're at 435 or whatever." And these are miracles.
And we are blessed for doing service.
And service is wonderful. It is a happy errand and I'm thankful that my grandparents have taught me this. My dad
have mom, my my dad, my parents exemplified this and here I am doing the same thing. And uh I just say please
join me. Help me. You have the means. Uh what are you going to do with it? You can't take it with you. You've got to choose to do something constructive.
Well, here we are. Thank you and thank you for your time, Greg. We love you.
Absolutely. Well, we'll see what we can do with our audience here. And I'm again, audience, if you could help out,
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I hope everything works out and and things become better here for you. And and again, hopefully I mean, getting rid of corruption is a difficult thing, but
it's really it's really impressive what you've done. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you. Okay.