Exposing Feminism In The Church

The Jared Halverson experience shows how deeply feminism has entered the church. Nothing Jared said in his very short video was worthy of the online backlash he received.

This is eerily similar to Elder Holland's "Musket Talk" at BYU. People attacked him for things he never said.

His later interview with a few women of the church focused on women being heard which had nothing to do with his video.

 Raw Transcript

one of the statistics that has worried me most of late comes from a study a survey that was done in 2023 and it's
suggesting that for the first time that I can think of more women are leaving
religion than men are [Music]
all right jared Halverson and feminism in the church wow
this is something that exploded online while I was out of the country so I'm just getting to this now but uh I have
something to say about it uh ridiculous the whole thing is absolutely ridiculous i it it
is Yeah I'm going to say it it's a joke it's preposterous we're going to get into
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the uh the craziness the absolute craziness this is something that uh is kind of
like Jared Halverson is of all people Jared Halverson i mean I love Jerald Jared Halverson he is a um a Stalworth
uh um teacher um faithful um of all people to pick on you
know I I I just I know why it happened it's because of his affiliations and
people are concerned about that and they don't want him in their circles perhaps and
um this is like he's walking along a path and there's a hornets's nest on the side of the path on the road somewhere
and he walks by it without touching it and all the hornets burst out and say you kicked our nest you kicked our nest
and the hornets all all go crazy that's what happened it reminds me a lot of
what happened with the musket talk with uh Elder Holland at in BYU at uh in what
was it 2019 the musket one remember what he talks about he was just simply quoting something that had been already
stated by Elder Maxwell and Elder Oaks uh about the the idea of having a musket
in one hand and a trial in the other as you're building Zion and protecting it and defending it and he's looking for
more people to defend basically the the gospel principles and and the family and
of course it's taken in a completely different way and people take it out of context and then others regurgitate it
and it goes down the pipeline of negativity and lies and people grab on
to it and the hornets go crazy because they say Elder Holland kicked the hornets's nest and all he did was walk
by without touching it actually concerned for the hornets's nest uh but
that's what happened with Jared here ridiculous absolutely preposterous a big reason that this is happening is because
of the feminism that has entered into the church and the ideology the ideology
that goes along with these pernitious uh philosophies are that you have to uh um
it's basically putting you through a struggle session and that's a little bit of what happens to him right he gets
kind of put through this little struggle session he's willing to do it i mean bless his heart he's a good good man
good man there's two reasons by the way that I really like Jared a lot number one when I was doing a Come Follow Me uh
podcast I did that for the the first four years of Come Follow Me there were only a couple of podcasts other podcasts
that I would recommend i thought most of them were just kind of fluff
um you know which ones I'm talking about uh and there were only a couple that I thought were really well done and really
well rooted in principles in scripture and Jared's was one of them unshaken and so I would tell people that i would tell
people that listen to me what other ones would you recommend and his was one of the only couple I would recommend what I
love about what he does is number one he's faithful right he he comes from a very faithful and knowledgeable position
and number two he roots you in the scriptures he had he had episodes of of
a a weekly assignment of Come Follow Me that he'd do sometimes in two parts or more that were an hour and a half each
or more because he's delving so deep into the scriptures and to use his term you know
I think that's the only way we can become unshaken i think we're going to have a very difficult time as members of
the church as we go further and further into these last days and we're caught up in these myths of darkness and these
philosophies unless we are rooted in the scriptures so I really appreciate what
he does he goes in and dives into scripture and brings you into scripture
with him and and not just offering up you know a bunch of fluff so the second
thing that I really like about him is that he is a critical thinker he's a thinker right he doesn't
just go along with things he He takes it for himself he consumes it he He partakes of the scriptural fruit absorbs
it makes it part of him and then he thinks critically about the principles and the
practicality of the gospel in living today and and there are few people that
do that there really are very few people that do that unfortunately and so I
really like Jared i want to make that really clear here and to have this happen to him is is is is really
unfortunate and and I he'll be fine but of all people come on one thing to
consider here and we're going to go into this and and watch little clips of this of of Jared on on what he taught and
what caused such a a ruckus is that this is a short reel it's not even that long
he's not bringing everything in he's not talking about everything and sometimes this is uh criticism that that
podcasters and YouTubers get it's it's why didn't you talk about this why didn't you bring this in and it's like
well I don't have three hours to cover this point right i I it's it's that's not
what this is i I'm I'm giving an angle on something and maybe it's 30 minutes or 45 or 60 and and yeah I'm not going
to have time to put everything into that and and this here is a few minutes
that's all it is it's a few minutes long right this is not a treaties on the ins and outs of women who are leaving the
church which they are i want to get to that specifically because that is a
point that is not even the one that ends up being discussed but it's the one that
they throw stones for they being primarily the loudest voices the one the feminists in the church so let's go to
his clip and I'm just going to make some commentary on this and by the way to support Jared go to his YouTube channel
Unshaken and subscribe go to his Instagram channel which is Unshaken
Saints and subscribe to him follow him all right so we'll go to his real here and I'm just going to chop this up a
little bit here as uh as we go many of you know that I study faith loss and
secularization and anti-religious rhetoric you know that I'm trying to keep my finger on the pulse of people
losing their faith around the world and doing whatever I can to try to resuscitate that faith well as I've been
studying books about this and reading articles and watching graphs and and statistics some of those statistics are
pretty unsettling okay so I read these same stats and these graphs and everything else i look at them regularly
in fact almost daily i know exactly what he's talking about and what he's about to bring up is something that I've
brought up several times in episodes i've never gone through what he's gone through not to that level i mean look at
my comment section it gets pretty bad but I know what he's talking about and he's right and it needs to be talked
about stop putting your head in the sand and understand that this is a
problem to watch the rise of the nuns as they call it N O N no this is not people
flocking to the Catholic convent none as in no religious affiliation i'm a part
of none and that's been on the rise since about the 1990s it's peaking in in ways that that
we haven't quite seen before okay so this is all true right all of the studies show this this is not one
outlier survey that's done this is this is real social science that's been corroborated over and over again and I
think most people would agree on all sides right religiosity has dropped except just very very recently like
maybe in the last 6 to 12 months there's a little bit of a tick up little bit of or at least holding firm let's keep
going here well one of the statistics that has worried me most of late comes from a
study a survey that was done in 2023 and it's suggesting that for the
first time that I can think of more women are leaving religion than
men are okay now this is the problem right as soon as you say this you're going to have problems and I don't
understand why i I don't understand what the outcry is on saying this we're supposed to all be quiet about it we
don't reflect on it we don't adjust to it this is true right this this is
absolutely true you have three very solid surveys that were put out in that 2023 year right they are the general
social survey the GSS the survey center on American life and the cooperative
educ election study which is the CES okay those are solid solid surveys very
large broad samples that that are given there that all corroborated the same thing women are leaving the church more
than men now here's where we need a a clear understanding of
something all of the feminists are coming after Jared
because they're saying "Well why do you think they're leaving they're leaving because it is an oppressive misogynistic
church it is a patriarchy and so why do you think women are moving the church has problems with
itself right it's it's a misogynist church uh women don't have the priesthood there's problems with uh not
allowing samesex marriage in the temple women don't have a big enough voice you know all of these different things i'm going to go into that a little bit here
in a bit but that's not the whole truth what he is referring to is not a
sampling given from the Latter-day Saints although that's part of it it's Christianity as a whole it's not
the church so as they're crying out about the problems within the church this male
dominance in the church the problem is not in the church the problem is in
Christianity the polls the surveys are done broadly on Christianity
so it's every church almost every church that is having this problem with more
women leaving the church so first of all to come back and say and pinpoint
everything on issues within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is
a misnomer it's false right if you're going to do that you have to show how that applies to
every other denomination in Christianity okay it's ridiculous it
it's it's it's frustrating the way this is done this is basically what he's
saying here and what the the surveys that he's bringing in here people are
trying to bring in with as their pet problems their pet peeve within the church which is a feminist approach to
the way the church acts and a male dominant priesthood and and everything else right you want to talk about it
fine i have no problem talking about those things but don't assign what he's saying specifically just to the church
that's false that's a falsehood to begin with so the assumptions that are made
originally are falsehoods okay start with that that that's shocking to me as
a historian of of religion in America because there was actually an a great article I read in grad school
called women's excuse me called religious history is women's history
that women have always outnumbered men not at the pulpit but in the pew okay
just a couple things here i want you to be listening to what he's saying and think about what is so outrageous that he's going to say here there's nothing
right it's nothing as as one of the commentators with CNN once said "This is a nothing burger it's an absolute
nothing burger." But one of the problems they had with what what Jerry just said was
"Oh it's not in the it's not in the pulpit but it's on the pew." He's talking about history yeah women weren't at the at the
pulpit and and somehow this is like women are going to say "Well that's really hard for me to hear." Well maybe it is but it's not Jared's fault and and
we don't put our heads in the sand about history do we go back and change history because a lot of people want
to rather change history because it's a microaggression
to them why don't we learn from history instead he is not saying anything wrong
here right nothing whatsoever and so often it's these
sister saints organizing benevolent societies ours is called the Relief
Society doing incredible things so much heavy lifting in the kingdom of God is
done by God's daughters over and over again Jared is
doing nothing but supporting women i mean he's bending over backwards
and a lot of guys feel this way right boy if I'm going to talk about a women's issue I better bend over backwards and
be really really nice and conscientious about what I'm saying and they should be right they should
be okay it it's it's it's just interesting that he doesn't receive the same respect from these women with loud
voices to him as he's trying to give to them
ironic i read a book once on the history of secularization in Great Britain in
the n in the 20th century and one of the author's main points was religion seemed
to collapse in Great Britain when women stopped coming to church okay so this is
why it's important not to put your head in the sand here right i have I have done episodes on this i have talked
about this for the last couple of years i saw that those those some of those surveys very early on a couple of years
ago um I've been asked to speak on this i've given I've given lectures and
presentations on this in front of hundreds of people right i know what I'm saying here i've seen the
studies it's not something to just shut up about and just because I'm a man
doesn't mean I shouldn't bring it up it's a problem and if you look at any he's
bringing up here basically what is a cycle this is a cycle of religiosity a
cycle of Christianity isaiah talks about this he says this is what happens at the
end this is what happens at the end when everything falls apart he says that the men become like women they become
feminized that happens first and then next the women become
prideful and that's the last hole right women were saying women hang
on longer women do hang on longer he's saying something positive
about women but they're now starting to fall away more than men are it doesn't mean women
are worse than men because if you look at the studies what it actually means is that men and
women right now are right at about the same place as far as attendance and
religiosity it's even i mean there's actually a little silver lining there right there aren't so many women
in the pews in the pews that are looking around and saying there's hardly any men
in the pews right it's it's actually fairly even right now in Christianity as a
whole but the reason it gets there is because women have always been more
religious and and attended more at church than men and they have fallen away faster than men have right if we've
got if we're looking at both levels here you've got me uh a level of men here who
which is falling right pretty badly going to the nuns and then you've got women that are falling and they're
falling faster and they're right now even with men right so attendance and
religiosity right now is right about the same in
Christianity but it's a cycle talks about it he's talking about
it here about the the history of Britain it is happening now pay attention to it don't scream
about it talk about it understand it and it's not focused just on the
church men were a mixed bag sometimes strong sometimes weak sometimes coming sometimes leaving but women seem to hold
steady and they held the church up until they stopped doing that and there
wasn't much left to keep it afloat sister
saints be aware of just how important you are in the kingdom of God okay
what why is that such a bad thing he's saying how important you are you're the last defense women you are the last
defense sisters i am certain that Jared had read or
listened to President Nelson's talk in 2024 uh at
general at the general Relief Society conference right called the influence of women he's saying the same thing are you
going to reach out and cry out against President Nelson here's what he says this is right from the from LDS uh uh
well I still use LDS.org the church of Jesus Christrist.org right sisters please never underestimate the
extraordinary power within you to influence others for good it is a gift
with which our heavenly father has endowed every covenant woman as a covenant daughter of God you have
receptivity to their spirit and an enhanced moral compass you have an enhanced moral compass that's why you
stick around longer that give you the capacity to receive personal revelation and to discern truth from error key to
discern truth from error in saying this I do not absolve men from distinguishing
right from wrong or from doing the spiritual work to receive revelation however if the world should ever lose
the moral rectitude of its women the world would never recover he's going not
just about the church he's talking about the entire world the women are the last line of
defense he goes on just a little more here sisters we need your voices teaching the
doctrine of Christ we need your ability as women to detect
deception especially today at at at philosophies that
are they're targeting women with untethered empathy and malevolent
compassion empathy that is not tethered to truth right to detect de deception
and to articulate truth we need your inspired wisdom in your family ward and state councils as well as in other
places of influence throughout the world your family the church and the world
need you okay so it's it's it's pretty frustrating that
this message is going out to Jared why wasn't there this huge huge firestorm
right the the kicked hornets's nest happening when
President Nelson said these things i this is he's paring what
President Nelson said each of you daughters of God each of you elect
ladies and then prepare yourself for this caution in section 25:10
yes it applies to men just as much but I want you sisters to hear it with
feminine ears 25:10 to Emma Smith verily I say unto
thee that thou shalt lay aside the things of this world and seek for the
things of a better a better world i'm in some ways
I'm asking you to sacrifice lay aside the things of this world okay that's a general message here's another point
that was really hit hard against Jared women already sacrificed so much they do
they do okay that's true i don't think that he is not being you know conscientious
of that that is a general rule in our lives in men's lives too sacrifice the things of the world
that's what he's saying sacrifice the things of the world
are you going to say that that is a bad message put off the natural man put off
the natural woman firestorm worthy right hornets's
nest worthy right but in another way I'm not asking for a sacrifice at all it's not a
sacrifice when you get more than you give that's not true that's always what a sacrifice is a good sacrifice is is is
getting something for what you give but that is sacrifice otherwise it's not a sacrifice i mean even you obviously the Lord's
sacrifice Jesus's sacrifice in Gethsemane and on the cross created a
greater good so is that not a sacrifice i I would disagree with him on that i think the idea of sacrifice is to
usually shortterm go through something more for a greater good
that's called an investment and so invest in a better world by
saving your stock and not putting it into this world
those are all declining returns now let me ask you something else if he was specifically saying this to men do you
think there would be a firestorm women are leaving the church faster than men i It's not a bad thing
to talk about we don't do it in a in a a a an
accusatory sense but it is alarming because it it
is a sign of not good things for Christianity and for the
church you want an amazing return on investment then lay up treasures in
heaven where moth and rust doth not corrupt okay so that there is the entire
thing that caused the problem do you see anything in that
that's a problem i I see absolutely nothing absolutely nothing he did not
even kick the hornets's nest and and and and you can hear how I'm talking about this because I I I
just to me on most of these things here there are some issues that I do think need to be addressed by these voices
that are coming after Jared but what he said here is is not one of them there is
nothing here that that he said that is not correct or that he didn't bend over
backwards to say in a in a delivery that was the most loving possible way he
could do it now he also goes through an apology video something I would not have
done uh because I don't think there's anything I I I don't think it's right to apologize for something that you you
have not done because this is a strategy from those that work with social justice
type of issues here and and and philosophies and and and there are some negatives to this and so again I love
Jared i think he's amazing i want to prop him up as much as possible but I don't think that the apology the public
apology is the right thing to do i I think the way you do this is say you know what let me come to the table here
and let's talk about this if there is an issue that you have with what I said can we talk about what
I said and let's go through this a little bit but do you remember what happened with uh another man that I
really admire is Tom Holmo the athletic director with the Brigham Young Cougars
right and you remember the volleyball game where the uh the Duke was it Duke
trying to remember i think it was the Duke volleyball player the the the woman's volleyball player said that there were uh she was
being ridiculed with racial slurs from the BYU audience the BYU uh
uh uh fans that were there and without even going in and
really investigating this and finding out what happened I did an entire video on this episode on this
they came out the next day and punished publicly the fans at the volleyball game
at the next volleyball game they threw him under the bus and it turns out the
whole thing was a lie it was all a lie there was something that was said by an autistic kid that went to UVU that
really wasn't even the racial slur as I recall but they decided to come out and
in the name of making sure we have a good name that we're gonna go out and and do all of this anyway right and and
you're gonna throw the kids under the bus i I I just don't agree with it i I just
don't agree with going through and it's it's you know it's Let's talk about it let's Let's talk about this so he goes
through this apology video i want to go through this real quick hello everybody i'm Jared Halverson uh some of you may
have gotten to know me for the first time uh recently and I just wanted to let you all know that I am losing sleep
over pain that I'm causing uh and I just want to apologize for hitting a nerve
that I had actually hoped to calm uh when I say I'm losing sleep that's
literal uh there's my clock uh it's a little after 2:00 in the morning and the
last four hours or so i've been reading your comments uh watching a longer video
uh from some people that are just hoping I can learn some things and I am eager
eager to learn as much as I can that's okay so I I you know Jared is a really
good guy he's a really nice guy um again I don't agree with what he's doing on
this but I I he's going to go on here he's not sleeping i mean I mean look there he's
He's right in the middle of something that is huge it's probably really affecting his family uh it it is wrong
that this is happening it is wrong that this is happening you cannot bend over
backwards i don't believe for every little tiny microaggression when someone says that they are offended that is your
choice to be offended and there is nothing that he said that would be
offensive to the most thin skinned person I can think of here are a couple of comments that
are on this video that I think should be said one here is this this is on the
apology video there are many soothsayers out there coming from influencers podcasters therapists life coaches etc
and it's breeding resentment among women amongst women in the church the age of technology has spread these ideas faster
and further than ever before the power of influence is very real and it can be used to either build up or tear apart
and this is to tear apart we are witnessing this in this very comment section as a woman she says I love this
church i am valued in this church i have influence in this church a privilege I
don't take lightly i have gratitude in my heart for this church and for the experiences that have shaped me as a
disciple of Christ and a child of God thank you brother Halverson for your insights into the scriptures and he's
amazing at this i always feel edified by the spirit while listening to understand
your messages okay it's this a lot of what had happened
here is because someone took this video at first and put it onto an anti- or
progmo type of a YouTube channel it spread like wildfire throughout those communities and then everybody that
watches those and listens to those took their stones and started throwing them at Jared Halverson
now when they do this they do bring up other points that I think that should be discussed things that do need to be
talked about more but not what he said not what he said and let me ask you
something if you are trying to put out truth there this is what I go through in my comments section right
if you're trying to put truth out there and you're backed up by the prophets and you're backed up by the
scriptures and you're causing pain for some people because of that and you're trying to deliver it in a loving
faithful way look I think I don't think you should apologize for that i don't
think that's right because you're admitting something that says truth that I'm saying is wrong i am not going along
with truth and I'm going in much broader context here than what happened to Jared here because I've had I've had this
happen many many many many times in in in my episodes uh I you know I cover these
cultural things a lot more than Jared does and so they're controversial and I know there's opposition to them and and
there is maybe some pain that is caused out there sometimes when I talk about these things but I think I do it in in
in a way that I'm balancing these things as much as I can without letting go of the iron rod and if you're doing that then you
shouldn't be worthy of stone casting you you may be worthy of a discussion and
everybody needs to learn things but what learning really means I
have found from a lot of these individuals is you better think the way I do and you better stop saying what
you're saying it's not just a matter of education it might be a matter of
re-education and indoctrination but typically and I'm not saying I've never learned something from
a comment that's been made or anything else i have several times but it's
pretty easy to see I think based on what his original short video was on that that's
not what's happening here and the other thing to think about here I think this brings on a real good maybe even ethical
type of a question what is the role of an influencer and some are going to be on
one end of the spectrum say it's nothing they should be nothing as they continue to watch
influencers right or or or is it should they should they are they held to a really high standard well there's some
type of standard they're going to be held to especially if they have comments that are on their episodes and and what
they do i mean everybody has that there's some type of a standard that's got to be there but what is the role of
an influencer does he have to is he responsible for you he's not responsible for you
ultimately right he's responsible to tell the truth he should be responsible to lift
you up he should be responsible to you know he he's he's someone of knowledge so I think that he has a
responsibility to share that knowledge and I think he has a responsibility
to help others in their faith issues but what's coming after him is
this whirlwind yeah you guys remember the Tasmanian devil right from the
Warner Brothers cartoons he spins around everywhere he goes and kind of wres havoc that that's kind of like that
hornets's nest right and and that that spinning what it brings in is kind of this it's it's the it's the it's the ex
Mormon community it's the community within the church that wants major
change major change and and then some others in that
are a little maybe a little bit more orthodox and especially young that get brought into all of that at once and and
if there's enough voices that come in from that area and they're still a minority they're real minority but they
if there's enough of those voices and they're loud enough right then they are uh they're going to cause a problem for
you i've been through it i know and it's hard to wade through that
with your your spouse and your family and and it it doesn't feel good right
and and so but what what is his role sometimes I
you know it's like boy we're going to put you in line and if you don't get into line we're going to keep throwing
the stones at you really why don't we just talk about it let's discuss some of
these things he does go on to a
uh he actually ends up hosting an episode with Faith Matters and he has an
association with Faith Matters and I think that this is one of the issues here right because Faith Matters is kind of represents a little bit more of the
progressive side of of membership in the church um and and I know he speaks with them i
think he's done interviews with them on their podcast and speaks at their some of their events i
I don't know if that's going to last i think that
there's a couple people there i'm not sure if they're going to last there with with uh Faith Matters but I I think that the rubber is going
to hit the road and and things are going to be I'm not just talking about them i'm
talking about everywhere and and and you're going to have to pick and I
don't mean to be divisive on that i I just I'm not trying to be divisive i don't want it to be like that um but
certainly that's where other things are going and and I look a lot at patterns
now if we look at this we look at the uh page the the page for Faith Matters here they they have a podcast that they run
they do YouTube and and a audio on this and you can see here right here it's on the on the upper left and it's and it's
called listening to women and and here's the whole point and
and this is where I think a lot of these women are coming from i actually appreciated what a number of these women said i don't like the way this was
handled it felt like a struggle session to me but there are some things here that I think were brought up in a in in
a good way this was not a ranting way at all for for Jared or for any of the the
women that were on here um I I thought that uh there were some good things that
were brought up here that should be discussed it has nothing to do with what
Jared said it has to do with the title of the video and that's why they end up
I think giving this title of the video because that's what they talked about which is not what Jared talked about
let's just go to a piece of this i want to show you this and so I think a lot of women come into the church space maybe
knowing uh consciously that it is very patriarchal or very male oriented and
they can work with that and they can sort of navigate that and they have some comfort doing that and then there's
other women who really feel obstructed by that and don't Okay so I just want to
say something here i think she's coming from a very much a point of view where where it's she feels obstructed from this i think that that's what's about
listen to women here um I don't think that most women actually feel like
they're working within a patriarchal uh uh environment and they have to work with it she might feel that way and and
this is one of the things I don't like about these types of things if you're you're talking about black issues and you're black you don't represent all
black people right that's that's that's you as an individual she's speaking as an
individual she may have friends that feel like she does um but she's talking for herself she's not talking for all
women she certainly doesn't talk for my wife because my wife would say the exact opposite about her experience in the
church right not that she's ever felt like she's never been heard i've gone through it when felt like I've not been
heard many times we've all had that bishop right who pretends to bring everybody in and get a consensus kind of
and feedback but he's always planned on what he's going to do and he just does it that happens right people have
different managerial styles and and etc but I do not believe that most women feel that the church is patriarchal in a
sense of male dominant are they mostly in the priesthood are they the leaders yes are they are they oppressive are
they misogynistic i don't believe that that is typically the case are there cases of this yes unfortunately there
are right but but I think that what she's saying here is an example of some women that may feel like they're kind of
in that middle ground and some women will say "Okay well I do feel it's patriarchal and I but I I can work
within it i'm just going to work within it." And they're okay doing it i think that's right i think there are some
women like that and there's other women that feel like it's a real obstacle and that needs to be discussed uh
um because I I I it it's certainly I've seen it happen right where where uh
women don't sometimes are are sometimes not given a voice i do see that happen i don't think it's typical i do not think
it is typical really know how to bring their authentic feminine voice to a space that feels so
overly masculineized i'd love to talk to her about what she means by that by their real their
authentic feminine voice i would I would really like to talk to her about that
um because it you're you're juxtaposing
that to a real masculine voice and and and and so you're dividing it outside of
truth to me a little in this sense it's it's you want a feminine perspective for
sure everybody benefits from a feminine perspective i greatly benefit from a
feminine perspective from my wife and from my daughters okay it enriches my life it helps me it helps me see things
better and they benefit from a masculine perspective um because we do have the
collective history of being ignored and silenced and not taken seriously and so
I think we come back to this need to really listen to listen radically
to care more about the uh justice for
women in a church setting right that we can see I think that that gives it away right there you know it's it's for a a
justice that that is there and and that is that is always the movement you know
it's it's funny they they're they're against judgment and justice in terms of
uh um talking about those types of things they want a teddy bear Jesus typically i'm not saying her i don't
know about her i'm not throwing this on her but but they want justice now
um with the way they see things and and look I think she's right i think that uh
I think women do need to be heard i think sometimes they are not i agree with that
100% um but not from a sense of justice
that to me is a problem but that's what almost the entire interview here is that
Jared is hosting is about this struggle session on listening to women
there is nothing here at all that Jared spoke about in his his uh his talk here
that had to do with not listening to women not even close
nothing and so to me it's it's a it's a complete nothing burger you know Jared I
keep doing what you're doing you are fabulous you are needed you are an
anchor to so many people you are a faithful knowledgeable very good teacher
and and you bring us all through the scriptures and root us in the scriptures
and and that is that is crucial and your audience needs you to be authentic
yourself right most of these voices that you're hearing are not invested in you
they're not invested in you they're not invested in your show they're not invested in your words they're not
invested in your thinking they're not invested in your spirit that doesn't mean you just turn them off but wow based on what
you said I would take it with a grain of salt and I would be open and willing to talk
um about what the issues might be and then you stay centered on truth right
anchor yourself as you do in the scriptures feminism is a problem that's
the other thing that has to be considered it is a problem and it is a greater and greater problem in the
church as it grows it is it is obviously something in the culture that has grown
those that are really at the roots none of these women here but those that are really at the roots of these things they
they are pernitious they don't want good things feminism ultimately is
anti-family and it has always been pushed by those that are very influential and the philosophies that
are very influential that are anti-family be kind be open to talk but
stick to the truth thanks for listening