'Weakness, Strength & Body'
- The body is the real temple
- The temple is veiled
- Weaknesses and strengths are what the Plan of Salvation are about
- Forced Equality removes the Spiritual Economy and creates a dystopia
- Paul's 'like-mindedness' to Moroni
Come Follow Me
LDS Mormon New Testament Romans Bible
in this episode we're going to talk
about weakness strength and body here we
go so in this episode we're going to
cover Romans chapters 12 through 16 now
there's not a lot in chapter 16 so it's
primarily for chapters that we're going
to be covering and they kind of break up
nicely into two separate parts 12 and 13
and 14 and 15 but starting off here in
chapter 12 Paul gives us an introduction
to some of the things that he's going to
be talking about here and then he kind
of brings it all back together it's very
interesting how he does this so right
here in verse 1 of chapter 12 it says I
beseech you therefore brethren by the
mercies of God that ye present your
bodies a living sacrifice holy
acceptable unto God which is your
reasonable service so as we've been
talking about things that are carnal in
the higher and lower laws the law of
Moses as the lower law or the ironic law
and then a higher law through the
Melchizedek Priesthood and Jesus Christ
and the atonement he's still talking in
that way he always talks through this
higher and lower law as he should and
brings back a lot of things about the
Garden of Eden as we've discussed and
about the creation story and in fact a
lot of the scriptures go back to the
creation story in the guard of Eden
story you should look for that but here
he talks about a few interesting things
some things still back to the Garden of
Eden story with the sacrifice of our
bodies what he's basically saying is is
look we are spirit and body there are
two parts to us a higher part and a
lower part
our job in mortality is to take on this
body and master it so we're taking on
the lower law right we're taking on
something lower something earthly and
not heavenly and so the key is to say
okay the body is not going to control
the mind the heart the spirit but it's
going to be the other way around and if
we can do that or to the degree that
we're able to master our desires our
passions our weaknesses our carnal
weaknesses and that includes a lot of
different things from laziness to
consumption to vices to a lot of things
that the body would bring us down and
hold us back on laziness whatever that
might be he's saying offer up the body
make the spirit supreme over the body
and if you can offer up your sacrifice
here if holy of all things that are
carnal of all things that are temporal
of all things that are of the lower law
then you've mastered it and the higher
law wins out you still need both right
we're going to resurrect with a body you
need both but you need to resurrect
hopefully with a celestial body and in
verse 2 he says and be not conformed to
this world but be transformed by the
renewing of your mind that's a difficult
thing to do
renewing your mind with spiritual
things with growth spiritually with
progression going toward a goal of
becoming more like the Savior and not
conforming to our bodies not conforming
to the physical world that we live in
there's somebody else who's in charge of
this world so to speak so he's
introduced the idea of our bodies we're
gonna follow through on that a lot more
here but then he comes down here in
verse 3 and he says something
interesting he says think soberly
according as God hath dealt to every man
the measure of faith I like that word a
lot you see it a lot in the scriptures
sober
to be sober no that's not a word of
wisdom suggestion or recommendation or
commandment right sober means to be
sincere it means not to it does mean to
not be drunk that is the primary
definition of the word but what it means
overall is to not be drunk with anything
so do not be drunk with vices do not be
drunk with sin do not be drunk with
ideology do not be drunk with your
passions but be sober understanding the
solemnity the gravity the importance of
who we are and our time here in this
probationary state so sober that's a
good suggestion a good word and then he
continues with the theme of the body and
he says down in verse 5 so we being many
are one body in Christ and everyone
members one of another having then gifts
differing according to the grace that is
given to us whether prophecy ministry
teaching exhortation cheerfulness this
is what we've talked about many times
before in this series and that is that
everybody is different there was a
discussion on Facebook the other day
about everybody needing to be the same
in a sense so that was the suggestion
but that's not true that is not what
what are that is not the plan of
salvation we are all moving toward
becoming a one heart in one mind of
people of Zion that doesn't mean we're
the same it means we have the same goals
right to have that I can have the same
heart as someone else in my sincerity
and being born again and having Christ
as my ideal but I could still have a
very different personality and I could
have a lot of weaknesses that somebody
else who has those same goals and the
same heart
may have his strengths and that's how we
work together that is covenant and
that's what he's going over here look we
all are different that's good
we don't need to be the same we see in
society today especially in the West now
this push toward sameness and yes I'll
use the word equality and it is
completely overdone but equality of
everybody in every way at least is not
the plan of salvation it doesn't work it
takes away the ability to help each
other out and to help each other through
their weaknesses and trials and
tribulations everybody has weaknesses
and everybody needs help and we are to
serve as we all connect through these
different weaknesses matching with
strengths with someone else so it is
equality of opportunity is Dallin H
Oaks sets that is part of the plan of
salvation that as what we strive for but
not equality of result and not equality
of sameness being the same whether we're
talking about genders whether we're
talking about even race or whether we're
talking about different groups this is
not the plan of salvation the great joy
about marriage about family is that you
have all of these different types of
people and it's fun and it can be
difficult and it can be full of strife
sometimes and obstacles are set before
you because you have to get along but
overall that's where joy comes from is
having those differences and loving each
other in those differences and that's
what we're to learn to do that I believe
is what Paul is going to be going over
here with us use your strengths to help
others that have weaknesses in those
same areas and in places that you have
weaknesses search for those
that have strengths and then we put
ourselves in Paul's shoes here and
remember that he is starting in a sense
at least among the Gentiles and some of
the Jews a movement right that that he's
in charge of he'll say here that he is
the minister called to serve the
Gentiles and so he's starting something
brand new well how is everybody supposed
to act and behave what are what is the
culture going to be what is the way we
work with each other that's what he
needs to cover that's what he's talking
about with all these gifts that
everybody has use them and help each
other out but he says here down in verse
19 dearly beloved avenge not yourselves
but rather give place unto wrath for it
is written vengeance is mine I will
repay saith the Lord so that's not to us
therefore if thine enemy hunger feed him
if he thirst give him drink
for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of
fire on his head so that might sound
like oh why would I do that if I'm going
to be in a sense metaphorically going to
be burning somebody it sounds very
negative but that's not what that means
coals in ancient times and in ancient
civilizations were a representation of
repentance and so we see in the story of
Isaiah where he is not happy with a lot
of the things that he's been saying in
other words probably doctrines that are
wrong my guess on that by the way
is that he was teaching things that were
not Christian enough not enough
focus on the doctrine of Christ which he
ends up doing throughout Isaiah later on
but he takes a coal metaphorically and
he needs to put it to his lips because
he needs to change his speech he needs
to repent on his speech which very
possibly then would be from a coal from
the altar of
in cents which would represent speech
it's part of that four phases of the
priesthood
Ezekiel does the same thing this was
something that was done in Egypt it was
a ritual that was actually performed to
show repentance whether it was real or
metaphorical I don't know but this was
something that was common in the Middle
East
so it means repentance so if I'm going
to be nice to my neighbor what it's
saying is he's going to feel the
burning and the need hopefully to repent
he's going to feel in debt and he's
hopefully going to feel like he needs to
repent and perhaps he won't end up being
your enemy any longer then the last
verse which is great be not overcome of
evil but overcome evil with good I think
there's two different ways to look at
this first of all be not overcome of
evil in other words don't let evil take
charge of you right we don't want evil
to take charge of us if we let our guard
down that's what can happen but the
other way to look at it is from a little
bit more of a passive way is don't let
it overcome us right don't let it get to
us in the sense of bringing this down of
wearing us down evil in this sense can
mean everything that is an opposition to
goodness everything that holds you back
all the obstacles are placed before you
mental physical emotional all of those
things are evil right they all hold you
back and so I think what Paul is saying
here don't let it get you down
don't let it get to you but overcome it
with good so if you can build enough
faith and enough goodness and
righteousness inside yourself you can
combat not only the fiery darts of Satan
but the Opposition in all things that's
in your life you can at least master it
you may not be able to take care of
everything but with enough goodness you
can hopefully master that
position that you deal with and then as
he's talked about each of the parts of
his body of Christ being working with
each other teaching exhorting
ministering prophesying he then
naturally brings up Authority and this
is something we see sometimes in the
church just sod the other day in a
newspaper but it's here's what he says
in verse one and this is all about
authority in the church he says let
every soul be subject unto the higher
powers for there is no power but God the
powers that be are ordained of God so we
live in a time where right now there's I
think there's two different ways this
happens in cycles of civilizations we
live in a time right now where it is
very easy to harp against authority that
can be everything from the government to
militarism to the patriarchy to whatever
it is right authority policeman I just
had an interview with a cop last
week and it's amazing the opposition
that these guys are seeing right now
that's not to say that there aren't
problems in each one of these areas
there are but the better off we are as a
society the easier it is to throw stones
at Authority the other way it happens is
the exact opposite things are so bad
right that a revolution is coming that
word or something in a specific
institution has become corrupt to
corrupt and it needs to be changed so
the two extremes seem to provide the
same thing it seems to me in many ways
we are living in the last days of Rome
where war was put to the outskirts the
people in Rome didn't need to worry
about it
they had wealth they had whatever they
wanted and we have a lot more abundance
than they did and so it's easy to go
after Authority and we see it in the
church so what does it mean
to sustain church leaders because that's
what we're asked to do what if we
disagree with someone what if we
disagree with say one of the brethren to
me this is again just my opinion there's
a big difference between agreeing and
supporting a big difference and I think
we get caught up in this idea that we
are to not think about things and just
accept everything I don't believe in
that I think we need to own things so
when I listen to the Brethren speak and
I love listening to them I want to know
for myself that the things that they're
saying are true and I might not always
agree that doesn't mean that I don't
sustain them that is separate it's a
separate issue I think that is really
important to understand it means that
okay they've made this decision or
they've said something or put a policy
into place I'm going to sustain them in
it that doesn't mean I have to agree
maybe I'll change my mind later on as I
see things that are unveiled in the
future that's okay I think the problem
comes when we not only disagree with
someone or we are angry with someone but
we move beyond that to not sustaining
them and just start criticizing them and
just try and tear them down that's the
problem I see several pundits out there
in the church that that's all they do
every time you read from them or hear
from them there is just stones being
hurled so I think that what we learn
from Paul here is look these are
ordained ministers your local bishop he
might not even be a very good Bishop he
might not give you the right advice he
may not know what he's doing
that doesn't mean you don't sustain
support the system the church and even
the office that they're in that doesn't
mean you have to agree those are
separate issues
and then down in verse nine he goes over
some of the Ten Commandments this is
just like a bin and I did a bin and I
starts with the priests of Noah and or
the priests of Noah and King Noah and
starts going through all of the
commandments the Ten Commandments and
talks about the lower law the law of
Moses and how they're not following it
he kind of lays this out and then on top
of that he puts in if there be any other
commandment it is briefly comprehended
in this saying so this is any other
commandment above and beyond the Ten
Commandments thou shalt love thy
neighbor as thyself
so he brings in love and charity and of
course this is a major theme for him
throughout all of the epistles but keep
in mind that he's bringing up charity
here or love because he's gonna go over
a couple of his other attributes here in
a minute in verse 10 love worketh no ill
to his neighbor therefore love is the
fulfilling of the law well that's what
Christ did Christ fulfilled the law how
did he do it
he did it through charity he did it
through the pure love of Christ
literally and that's something we would
look at more as the spirit of the law
the higher law and then he comes down
here and he weaves back in the theme of
the body and he says in verse 12 the
night is far spent the day is at hand
let us therefore cast off the works of
darkness and let us put on the armor of
light what is he talking about let us
walk honestly in thirteen as in the day
not in rioting and drunkenness not in
chambering and wantonness that would be
promiscuity not in strife and envying
but put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and
make not provision for the flesh to
fulfill the lusts thereof so put ye on
the Lord Jesus Christ what does that
mean he just talked about the armor of
light this is a direct reference I
believe a metaphor for the garment
as he's talked about the body and what
how we want to overcome it he'll later
on focus on the body as a temple in
another epistle and I think this is
something that I have brought this up I
think before but I think this is
something where we miss the mark a
little bit and that is when we're
talking about our body as a temple I
don't think that the metaphor is our
body is like the temple that we go to
I think we're completely missing the
point I think it's the other way around
I think that the temple we go to and go
through the ordinances at and make our
covenants at is a metaphor for our
bodies our bodies are the temple our
bodies are the vessels for our spirits
just like the temple is the vessel or
the house of the Lord or the Spirit of
the Lord but those buildings are not
eternal they won't be around forever but
our bodies will so our bodies are the
temple and using temple imagery we can
look at the garment that is received
after an endowment of course it's the
veil so our bodies are veiled our bodies
are supposed to be the Holy of Holies
the celestial room veiled from
everything that's outside of it well
it's very interesting to me for those
that are very look at look at the veils
with women is something that's very
controversial it's like wait a minute I
don't think people understand what the
veil means veil is a very noble and
righteous thing and both men and women
who go through the endowment are veiled
on their most of their body but a little
temple imagery for you there all right
then here in chapter 14 he starts us up
and he's gonna start it off the exact
same way in the next chapter chapter 15
where he's starting to bring all this
together you know I've gone through the
idea of Paul orchestrating things here
in Romans he really does
it's brilliant the way he does it it's
very difficult to read but if you follow
the threads
of what he's doing here he weaves all
these points together and we're gonna go
even further in weaving those points
together here in a minute he says in
verse one him that is weak in the faith
receive ye but not to doubtful
disputations so he starts off with
weakness and in this case it's about
someone who has maybe who is not very
faithful or who does not have a lot of
faith a weakness in faith and he's
saying look receive those people in of
course but not with disputations so
there's a difference
we might sometimes fall short as
individuals as families as congregations
in supporting some members that are
going through a faith crisis who are
having doubts that's a normal thing and
in fact I don't think that any of us
would actually end up being tested like
Abraham and Sarah as we're supposed to
do or supposed to be if we don't at some
point in our lives experience some doubt
that's okay Paul is saying accept people
in unless there is doubtful disputations
so it's a different scenario again he's
trying to help people understand how
they should behave together in his
congregations it's a different scenario
all together if someone is doubtful and
now they're starting to argue with you
and trying to attack your faith that's a
different scenario but plenty of people
have doubts and so of course we want to
make sure that we're putting our arms
around them and talking to them and
hopefully we are learning and educating
ourselves with things like come follow
me and studying the scriptures so that
we can help people if possible with the
doubts that they might be having it
would be nice if there was an
environment in each congregation and
each ward or people that were starting
to go through a doubt crisis weren't
afraid to talk to someone again
different from disputations
but we want to make sure we're helping
those that go through these doubts it's
very easy these days to find things that
end up hurting your faith those little
seeds of doubt it's all it takes
sometimes just a little bit of darkness
in that light can grow pretty quickly
then we go all the way over to chapter
15 here and again we go to verse 1 and
what does he say what does Paul say he
says we then that are strong ought to
bear the infirmities of the weak and not
to please ourselves that's the exact
point I was just making with a specific
scenario of a faith crisis
everybody has given weaknesses we know
that we repeat that scripture all the
time I'm going to go to it in a minute
all of us have weaknesses he just went
over in the previous chapter didn't
really cover it but he just went over
how we don't want to judge other people
and here he's saying bear the
infirmities of the weak and not to
please ourselves we are the weak every
one of you listening to this are the
weak in one way or another and so we
need help in something and so what we
don't want to do is please ourselves in
something we're strong in and not help
those that are weak in that specific
thing again that is covenant that is
what it's all about
everybody is at different levels in
different things could be financial it
could be emotional
it could be confidence it could be
knowledge that could be skills
it could be attitude and mental health
it could be physical health it could be
energy they could be faith and
encouragement but we're all given these
different strengths we call them the
gifts of the Spirit specifically along
with these weaknesses that were given so
that we can help each other out now I
want to jump down here to verse 4 it
says for whatsoever things were written
aforetime
were written for our learning that we
through patience and comfort of the
Scriptures might have hope so he's been
talking about love and charity now he's
talking about hope now he doesn't go a
lot into faith here but he's talking a
lot about hope and charity or love those
are the same thing I know they use
different words in Greek but it's the
same idea and then he talks about having
the like-mindedness not being the same
because some are given that strength
someone given the weaknesses were all
given both he says in 5 now the god of
patience and consolation grant you to be
like-minded one toward another according
to Christ Jesus again be one heart and
one mind that Zion with all of our
differences working on them together
that is not forced equality you push
for forced equality then you are trying
to get rid of covenant you get rid of
the entire purpose of spiritual gifts
and the entire purpose of weaknesses and
what someone does when they're thinking
about forcing equality is you end up
skipping the individual we've talked
about the four phases of the priesthood
and you go from individuality and agency
has phase one of the Aaronic priesthood
phase two then is speech and expression
that is also of the Irani priesthood
phase three would go to the Melchizedek
Priesthood and there it is about family
being married and having family kids and
then phase four is community like we're
talking about here you know you can do
all these things within the family as
well but Paul's talking about the
community that's phase four that's what
Zion ultimately is and people that want
a forced equality of results not just a
like mindedness and a light like hearts
but that wants to get rid of differences
and force and equality
they are moving from zero to four in
those phases which means you're
eliminating everything and think about
that and this by the way is Bo
from the left side of the political
spectrum and the right side of the
political spectrum so when you are
looking for forced equality or forced
sameness which can come from on the Left
Marxism communism and from the right
with say overzealous nationalism you're
creating a group and then we go out all
into what we're going through now with
group identity and group politics and
what that does is it creates a utopia
that's really a dystopia none of those
things will ever work because the plan
of salvation the plan of God is to start
with the individual allow agency to take
root and then expression and speech and
then family and if you notice in all the
scenarios all three of those things
individuality and speech and family all
start to get removed because ever they
want to push all the way up to number
four and you end up with dystopia can't
work this is about helping each other
this is about having differences this is
about everyone being weak in something
and everybody being strong in something
and it's interesting here that Paul goes
into basically he's going into faith
hope and charity here and tying that in
with this weakness and with spiritual
gifts who else does that Moroni does
that so if we go to II Thor real quickly
here and this is the scripture that were
used to quoting about weaknesses this is
by the way this is Moroni who interjects
his own words into his abridgement of
the book of ether so that's why this is
him speaking in the book of ether he
says in chapter 12 verse 27 and if men
come unto me I will show unto them their
weakness I give unto men weakness that
they may be humble and my grace is
sufficient for all men that humble
themselves grace another very big word
for Paul who humble themselves before me
for if they humble themselves before me
and have faith in me then will I make we
things become strong unto them and that
could very well be and likely will be
through other people but then we usually
don't read the next verse this is verse
28 behold I will show unto the Gentiles
so here Paul is talking specifically
about the Gentiles in chapter 15 he
really gets into it but here Moroni is
talking about the Gentiles also and
weaknesses and faith hope and charity he
says I will show unto the Gentiles their
weakness and I will show unto them that
faith hope and charity bringeth unto me
the fountain of all righteousness I've
said this before but I believe that
Mormon and Moroni Moroni is pulling from
Mormons words but Moroni and Mormon I
think had the same source that Paul did
in going through the idea of faith hope
and charity spiritual gifts and
weaknesses they kind of fit together and
he continues as well in Moroni 10 very
quickly
remember in Moroni 10 this is where
Moroni goes through all of the different
spiritual gifts that everybody has to
one has given the Spirit of God that he
might teach the word of wisdom to
another the word of knowledge to another
great faith another gifts of healing
again to another he may work mighty
miracles again to one another that he
may prophesy beholding angels all kinds
of tongues interpretation of languages
and these all come from the gifts of the
Holy Ghost so he's talking about the
same thing that Paul is faith hope and
charity the spiritual gifts and
weaknesses that are meant to come
together in a covenant relationship
amongst us and he follows us up in verse
20 here again this is more on i-10
wherefore there must be faith and if
there must be faith there must also be
hope and if there must be hope there
must also be charity we're going to go
over this a lot more here in other
epistles from Paul then falling down in
chapter 15 in in verse 12 he says and
again ISA is that's Isaiah the great
prophet the Masonic prophet
the prophet of the Gentiles there shall
be a root of Jesse who's Jesse Jesse is
David's father so this is a root of
Jesse we get this also in Isaiah root of
Jesse is a Davidic term it's a royal and
kingly term or title and he that shall
rise to reign over the Gentiles in him
shall the Gentiles trust that's Christ
right again going back to the temple
drama with Christ as the Davidic King
and then in 13 what is Paul bring up now
the god of Hope fill you with all joy
and peace and believing that ye may
abound in Hope through the power of the
Holy Ghost you can see the similarities
here between Mormon Moroni and Paul
they're striking remember that Moroni in
the Book of Mormon as he finishes off
the abridgement of ether what he thought
he was already going to be gone before
that he focuses in on this exact thing
that Paul is talking about and then when
he's still around and doesn't expect to
be around he goes back to it again
and gives us more on i-10 that's where
the promise is right of the Book of
Mormon Moroni 10-4 and in verse 14 he
talks further about this helping each
other out and I myself also am persuaded
of you my brethren that ye also are full
of goodness filled with all knowledge
able also to admonish one another and in
16 that I should be the minister of
Jesus Christ to the Gentiles that's his
calling that the offering of the
Gentiles might be acceptable being
sanctified by the Holy Ghost so going
back to his first verse in this episode
where he talked about we are offering
our bodies as an acceptable offering
that means we're making enough of a
sacrifice for it and here that the
Gentiles will be an acceptable offering
from what Paul is doing in his sacrifice
and also with what the Gentiles are
doing in converting
and taking on the name of Christ
remember it was Kane that did not offer
an acceptable sacrifice when Abel did
probably had nothing to do with the
sacrifice itself it probably had to do
more with Christ that's my guess
then Paul talks about eventually making
it to Spain we don't know if he actually
ever did most scholars will say he
didn't some new evidence shows that it's
possible that maybe he made it to Spain
but he follows up he finishes up here
looking at verse 27 he says for if the
Gentiles have been made partakers of
their spiritual things their duty is
also to minister unto them in carnal
things I was talking about the Gentiles
making a large financial donation to
some of these suffering Saints in
Jerusalem he's going to go to Jerusalem
and he's going to bring that that those
funds to the Saints in Jerusalem and he
talks about it as a carnal thing and we
see this sometimes we usually talk about
something that is carnal as bad it's
like cotton a Asada
in Spanish cotton a is meat flesh
mortality the lower law temporal law and
so a financial donation would be the
lower law a carnal wall in the D&C the
Lord actually calls the Aaronic
priesthood the carnal priesthood it's
not a bad priesthood but it's a temporal
priesthood it is the priesthood of the
earth of earthly things and then in
chapter 16 it's mostly just salutations
to many people that are in Rome where he
has a lot of connections though he
hasn't been there yet he's writing this
letter preemptively saying that I'm
going to get there and I'm going to be
with you
so Paul just like Moroni is a master
conductor like the conductor of an
orchestra where he brings these
principles in that he's obviously
learned somewhere about strengths and
spiritual gifts and weaknesses and
differences within people
how important that is and combining that
with faith hope and charity and working
together loving one another building
each other up and following the
authority of the structure over all of
that and then going back to the body
that Paul talks about often throughout
the epistles making an acceptable
sacrifice or we are able and willing to
conquer the lower law through a higher
law and have our spirits our minds our
hearts lift up our bodies I'll talk to
you next time
50% Complete
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.