Hidden, Adversity & Genes'
- 'Hidden' & 'Eternal' are behind the veil
- We are in mortality to experience adversity, but not to be crushed
- Why is Abraham 'Father Abraham'?
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LDS Mormon New Testament 2 Corinthians Bible
in this episode we're gonna talk about
things that are hidden adversity and
genes there we go okay in this episode
we're going to study second Corinthians
chapters four five six just a little bit
of seven I’m gonna get a little bit more
conceptual in this episode we won't hit
as many verses and I might go on a
tangent or two here because there's a
couple of very interesting things here
that I want to interlace here through
through some of the things that Paul is
addressing here starting off with
chapter four let's go down here first of
all verse 1 therefore seeing we have
this ministry as we have received mercy
we faint not in other words starting off
what he's doing here is he's laying out
a theme here of not being overcome right
that there is work there is adversity
there are problems but that we're not
going to be overloaded here because of
the mercy of god so we're not going to
faint and that's also a reference we can
make that a reference at least to
section 89 if you take a look at the
last part of that section here and then
come back here to chapter 4 and look at
the beginning and at the end of chapter
4 as well verse 2 but have renounced the
hidden things of dishonesty not walking
in craftiness nor handling the Word of
God deceitfully but by manifestation of
the truth commending ourselves to every
man's conscience in the sight of God so
what he's saying here is that they are
renouncing the secret things the right
word here is secret they this is from
the route that we know of which is
klepto right a club don't
Maniac is somewhere not that steals
necessarily someone who hides things and
then takes them right and so these are
secret things he calls these things
secret that are things of deceit and
that are from the adversary and he
continues with this theme here about
things being hidden and he says in verse
3 but if our gospel be hid it is hid to
them that are lost so for us the hidden
things that we have in the gospel are to
our only hidden to those that are lost
verse 4 in whom the god of this world
says that very clearly the god of this
world to the lower world remember going
back to Genesis 1 Paul hits the creation
here again heaven and earth right the
god of this world is not the savior and
it's not God the Father this world that
we live in is not really ours we are
strangers in a strange land in whom the
god of this world hath blinded the minds
of them which believe not lest the light
of the glorious gospel of Christ who is
the image of God should shine unto them
so we're gonna get lights and darkness
things that are hidden both things that
are hidden which are evil so deceit and
things that are hidden from those that
are lost right the eternal things that
are hidden now here's an interesting
point about the word hidden here when
you're talking about the hidden things
of God and that is that here in the
Greek when he talks about the hidden
things of God he's not using the same
word that has the root klepto in it he's
using a different word which means
veiled so we get a little bit of what I
believe here has a lot more to do with
Temple imagery so the things of God are
veiled right they are behind the veil
they are protected from the rest of the
world Paul loves to use the veil and II
references oftentimes our body along
with
the veil because our body is the veil or
a veil and it brings up another point
that's really interesting and that is
here we have the word hidden which is
also the word veiled in in Greek can
be the word veiled and is in this
instance the word in Greek but in Hebrew
the word Alam is what is used for the
hidden God and a lot of people used to
be fascinated we're told often times and
ancient documents about the Israelite
hidden God well how is he hidden well
he's hidden because he's behind the veil
right he is hidden from the rest of the
world because his throne is in the Holy
of Holies and it's behind the veil but
interestingly enough the other term that
uses the Hebrew yellamma
and uses the same word is the word
in English eternal so when we talk about
what was oftentimes cited as the hidden
God anciently that is the eternal God
and so things that are eternal are
hidden things that are eternal are
behind the veil or as we've talked about
oftentimes in this podcast they are in
the beginning the things that happen in
the beginning are the eternal things of
things in the council in the
pre-existence that's what the Holy of
Holies represents another way of looking
at the differences between these kind of
veils that we're talking about the
things of God and eternal things being
veiled being held back behind the veil
and the things from the god of this
world that are hidden which are
dishonesty deceit it's such a craftiness
as we might think about The Wizard of Oz
right what is behind the Wizard of Oz
behind that veil it is fraud it's fake
and oftentimes in our minds we think it
is this great big power but it only is
if we give it that strength and we're
told that in
the afterlife that we're going to that
the adversary is going to be unveiled so
to speak and we're gonna look and we're
gonna say this is it this was the
problem kind of like The Wizard of Oz
and then in verse six he says for God
who commanded the light to shine out of
darkness to me this is another reference
going back to that light that covered
the deep or chaos and the void in the
creation story hath shined in our hearts
to give the light of knowledge of the
glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ
so he's continuing here with additional
temple imagery and throughout all the
Pauline letters look for this he
oftentimes is going back to the creation
story and the Garden of Eden so even if
you think there's a little bit of a
stretch there go with it and see if as
you continue to read through these
chapters if you don't find a little bit
more that you can unearth by thinking
about the symbolism of the creation
story and the Garden of Eden and then he
goes through this idea that we are in a
state of opposition that's thrown at us
continually and he goes through this by
saying the following here starting in
verse 8 he says we are troubled on every
side but not distressed we are perplexed
but not in despair persecuted but not
forsaken cast down but not destroyed so
again this is the purpose this is why
we're here in mortality is to test us
through this adversity this is part of
the rules of living in this world with
the god of this world and these
principles that exist is that we've been
lowered down from our pre-existent home
to be living in not just in an earthly
sense in a physical sense and a temporal
sense but in a mortal sense of
living under different rules and these
rules are what are going to test us and
this body is what is going to help test
us and then he starts bringing up
something interesting and I'm gonna I'm
gonna go off on a tangent here in a
minute on this but he says for we which
live this is in verse 11 for we which
live are always delivered unto death for
Jesus for Jesus's sake that the life
also of Jesus might be made manifest in
our mortal flesh so he could be talking
about a physical resurrection here or he
could be talking about how our decisions
and our spirit change the state of our
body and how we are also as he is
talking about this opposition that is
given to us how we are supposed to
overcome it and that we're not going to
be giving more than we can handle as
we're told is it one of the concepts of
the gospel so our spirit overcomes the
body and then he says here in verse 13
something interesting we have we having
the same spirit of faith according as it
is written I believed and therefore have
I spoken we also believe and therefore
speak if you have not looked at my
episode on the four phases of the
priesthood I would recommend that to do
that because right here are the first
two that I speak of oh the under the
ironic priesthood and that is when he
says belief here we have believed this
is a decision this is agency and
therefore once you get to that position
then you speak and so these here are the
first two phases that I see here in the
priesthood that he's mentioning and then
just a shout-out to literary devices
here and what we might call what is
called structural parallelism or chiasmus
and in all of the Pauline letters
here we see this structure put in place
and if you ever are able to look for
references of chiasmus in
the letters of Paul I recommend that you
do it because this is something that is
under the principle or the interpreter
number three that I go over of
authorship I haven't talked a lot about
this but Paul is writing in a specific
literary with specific literary devices
and one of the ways that you do that is
with this structural parallelism or chiasmus
where you have a and then the next
thought is B and then the next one is C
and then you get the center of the
structure which we could say is D and
there could be a number of these letters
but let's say here it's D and then it
goes back to C and then back to B and
then back to a so the first heard this
before right the first shall be last and
the last shall be first that statement
in itself is a chiasmus and here you
can see in chapter 4 here he started off
with talking about fainting and about
hidden things and here at the bottom of
the chapter he says here in verse 16 for
which cause we faint not but though our
outward man perish or the body yet the
inward man is renewed day by day our
spirit so in other words every day we
get older and we're eventually going to
lose our body it is mortal but our
spirit which is eternal right changes
and grows day by day but actually our
body does too so I want to go over here
in a minute then he says here in verse
17 were the same idea of this opposition
he says for our light affliction which
is but for a moment worketh for us a far
more exceeding and eternal weight of
glory right so affliction as we said in
the last episode is necessary to grow
it's necessary for us to become more
like Christ Christ through an infinite
affliction an infinite sacrifice is who
he is because of that so if we are
exemplifying him if we are trying to
become
like him then we are going to take on
affliction as we must here in this world
and we're going to bear it remember when
Joseph Smith in section 121 was in the
jail in the Liberty jail and he's
praying and he's outraged at what is
going on there and the treatment that
they have in the suffering that they've
had and he prays and the Lord says hey
wait a minute have you even gone through
what Job went through and do you think
you've gone through what I've gone
through so why would the Lord allow him
to stay in there longer what is he doing
well he tells him he says this is for
your good and so here he's beyond that
Joseph Smith is beyond himself and the
Lord says you know look you're in a
mortal world I need you to be stronger
and who knows what changes were made in
Joseph Smith from that point on because
of what he went through there could he
have done what he did in Nabu would he
have been ready to build the temple
there and do what he had to do there to
reveal what he revealed well we'll never
know I suppose but the Lord seemed to
think that Joseph needed this affliction
because he said I'm not helping you yet
you need to bear this a little bit more
and do it with patience by the way and
then in 18 again while we look not at
the things which are seen so this is
things that would be in front of the
veil think of it that way these are
temporal things but at the things which
are not seen hidden which are veiled
behind the veil for the things which are
seen are temporal but the things which
are not seen are eternal right they're
hidden or eternal Paul knows exactly
what he's doing here then we go over to
chapter 5 and he again goes back to
Genesis to the Garden of Eden story here
and he says here in verse 2 for in this
we groan speaking about the difference
between the spirit and the body
earnestly desiring to be clothed upon
with our house which is from heaven well
the house which is from heaven would be
a resurrected body and he follows up
with that still we think about the
imagery of the of the Garden of Eden if
so be that being clothed we shall not be
found naked again this is symbolism
symbolism from the Garden of Eden and
it's a reference to those things and to
the priesthood to the Melchizedek
Priesthood that we learn about and go
through when we go through the temple
and then again he gives an example here
in verse 7 about the difference between
spiritual things and temporal things
again
earthly things or heavenly things and
earthly things he says very simply very
concisely for we walk by faith not by
sight and this reminds me of one of my
favorite scriptures which is proverbs 3
verses 4 & 5 trust in the Lord with all
thine heart and lean not unto thine own
understanding and something to the
effect of and acknowledge him in all thy
ways and he will guide you through your
paths more or less so there is a way to
do this to do life and it's not by our
sight it's kind of like the force from
Star Wars it's not by our own sight but
it's by faith it's by trusting learning
to trust on the principles of the gospel
and on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ
that's really the vision that we should
have above the temporal vision that we
use and then in verse 10 and here's
Roman to go off on my tangent for we
must all appear before the judgment seat
of Christ that every one may receive the
things done in his body
okay the things that are done in your
body there's a reason why why we have
these bodies number one I don't think we
could sense or feel the same things I
don't mean that as far as pain goes or
sense of touch I actually mean that
through emotion I don't think that we
could experience things emotionally the
way
we do our motions are very strongly tied
to our bodies and I think in many ways
that's what gives us an understanding of
opposition in all things it gives us our
context so these are things that we do
in our bodies our choices that we make
with our agency inside of our bodies it
has to be in a body just like we have to
do things by proxy in a body with
ordinances for the dead certain things
have to be done with a body and then he
finishes up in verse 10 by saying
according to that he hath done whether
it be good or bad so we are affecting
our bodies we are literally changing our
bodies by the decisions that we make and
the type of life that we live and of
course eternally in the resurrection we
will have a resurrected body based on a
certain degree of glory given to us
between our actions and decisions and
the mercy of God but here's what I
wanted to say about this there is a new
field of science that is called
epigenetics and this is fairly well
accepted in the science community it's
very very new there's some pushback from
it because Darwin is king in science
right and especially in biology and
evolution and this goes against a lot of
what Darwin taught now again I think
that Darwin is amazing myself he's given
us an immense amount of knowledge and
principles to follow but they may not
all be correct
we've talked a little bit about the
difficulty in jumping from species to
species with Darwin's theory there are
issues there and mathematical issues
there are impossibilities as many
would conclude of his theory but another
thing that comes up now with epigenetics
is that we actually can change our
genome we can change our DNA by our
decisions and our experiences so this
throws a lot of Darwin under the bus as
to how evolution might happen and it may
actually happen
both by nature and by nurture that's a
difficult thing for a lot of people to
accept at this point but through certain
experiences that we have a lot of these
might be very extreme experiences
especially stress but even diet can
change our genetic structure and it's
hereditary so when we talk about being a
good parent and how we want to give an
example to our children well it's also
what we might be passing on to them
certainly before they're born is a
certain genetic code that may have been
partially created by your experiences
and some of those experiences may have
happened through your decisions and so
here is a way that not just spiritually
we can affect our children and
physically through just birth and giving
them a body but epigenetics
says that we actually pass along a newer
altered genetic code based on our
experiences in our life up to that point
and that brings up a thought that I had
about Abraham and then brings us back to
Paul Paul's real message here throughout
all of his letters is this idea that we
all belong to Abraham and to Christ
Christ we are his spiritual sons and
daughters as we accept him and his
gospel so a spiritual lineage but
Abraham really is focused on a lot more
as a physical lineage you remember John
the Baptist talking to the Jews while he
is baptizing and he says oh you think
because you're from Abraham that that's
a big deal you know the Lord can change
these stones and make them like the kid
the children of Abraham but in the
gospel especially the restored gospel
there is definitely a focus
on being a part of the family of Abraham
and having his blood right because you
have under him if you go through the
idea of the God of Abraham then Isaac
then Jacob what you're getting there is
a physical lineage when you bring up
that term that gives you Israel who is
Jacob and his twelve sons and I just
wonder you know hypothesis here and
postulating if being brought into is
certainly his seed his blood has
been put out through most if not all of
the earth at this point with all of the
war and the Assyrians pulling the
ten tribes out and all of the those that
were left over and in Judah being
dispersed throughout the world
especially in the West and Eastern
Europe
I wonder if this isn't part of the plan
that might be necessary to be a part of
his family physically in some sense I've
always thought about that and why it
would be necessary to be a part of his
family and I just a thought here but why
would Abraham not be able to have Isaac
until he's around a hundred years old
how many experiences did he go through
up to that point how great of a man was
he up to that point did his genetic code
change over that period of time based on
his decisions bathed based on his
faithfulness based on the exertion of
faith throughout his life did that
change up to the time of Isaac being
born which would have been passed on
then to Jacob and then on to his twelve
sons just a thought it is very
interesting to me is Abraham the great
father because of his decisions not only
spiritually but what it did to him
physically
and having his blood is a benefit to us
because somehow it is a built in
physical legacy there is a certain
intelligence in a body that is a
descendant of someone like Abraham just
just a thought I know it's a tangent but
very interesting to me I'll have to do a
podcast on epigenetics at some point I
don't I'm not an expert at it so I would
probably have to get somebody in here
who is and then in chapter 6 I want to
go down to verse 14 and bring up
something that Paul talks a lot about
right again sometimes if we read this
improperly it seems like it's in a way
anti-Christian or in a way against the
example of what Christ said but there's
a difference in verse 14 he says be not
unequally yoked together with
unbelievers right so he's talking about
a separation for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness and
what communion hath light with darkness
so he's saying look there needs to be a
separation between these things you need
to be separate from those that live on
righteously and again I brother said
before well what about Christ
who ate sat with the sinners of course
there is a difference here he's talking
about being unequally yoked that is
thinking again of a tandem of oxen with
a yoke on their back you're not
necessarily a team in life together
right I know people that I think move
out to that point of tolerance with
someone else where they take it well
beyond into a position of whatever is
going on out here is fine I'm not going
to judge right the opposite of that
would be
I'm very judgmental and I look down on
you and to me I think the answer is I'm
not even gonna say it's in the middle
somewhere I think it's Christ's answer
which is charity right love the sinner
but not the sin so you don't tolerate
the behavior but you love whoever is
causing the behavior or acting out the
behavior and you have to show that you
have to
show that love but that doesn't mean
that you tolerate everything and so Paul
here is talking about I think you don't
have to tolerate all this and you don't
have to bind yourself with the
unrighteous or in an unrighteous way
with others in verse 16 he says and what
agreement hath the temple of God with
idols so again unrighteous behavior
would mean that you in your values
hierarchy you have different values up
high than Christ and his principle the
principles of his gospel for ye are the
Temple of the Living God he says again
this is talking about our bodies and
again he's talking to Corinth a very
promiscuous society with two massive
ports and a lot of men away from home
coming into Corinth on a continual basis
a lot of money a lot of trade and a lot
of promiscuity here finishing in verse
16 he says and God hath said I will
dwell in them and walk in them sore
again our bodies are the hosts of the
Holy Ghost of the Spirit of God and I
will be their God and they shall be my
people and then he follows up again
concluding it by again talking about
that separation and not being yoked with
someone who's unrighteous wherefore come
out from among them and be separate
saith the Lord and touch not the unclean
thing and I will receive you so again
he's talking about the church both the
pagan converts and the Jewish converts
here being separate from this other
promiscuous world that is in Corinth
don't be a part of that behavior and a
part of that culture love everyone but
you don't need to tolerate all of that
and then chapter 7 here really is we can
condense this down to one verse or I'm
going to condense it down to one verse
and that's verse 10 and he tells us here
for godly sorrow worketh repentance to
salvation not to be repented of but the
sorrow of the world work
death so he again is giving us a
separation we talk about light and dark
the temple of God other temples separate
yourselves from those around you he
separates sorrow here and he talks about
the sorrow the godly sorrow and then he
talks about the sorrow of the world so
there is a difference and there is right
we we can all be very sorrowful even if
we are living righteously sorrow is
going to comfort to us it could come
from a family member it could come from
betrayal it could come from difficulty
in relationships we lose a good friend
or a family member we have difficulty
moving forward in something and
adversity and opposition rears its ugly
head and we have a hard time with it and
we get down but sorrow of the world is
going to take us in a very different
direction godly sorrow should take us to
repentance as he says that worketh
repentance to salvation it's kind of a
warning signal to us it's like hey you
need to fix some things you need to grow
a little bit you need to increase your
faith or you need a more prayer or you
need to think about this differently so
you need to repent and repentance is
what it means a change of heart or
correcting ourselves just a little bit
we need to correct ourselves improve
ourselves a little bit but the sorrow of
the world worketh death and there's a
great reference here in the scriptures
to Mormon 213 this is what it says it
explains what worldly sorrow is it says
but behold this my joy was vain for
there sorrowing was not unto repentance
because of the goodness of God but it
was rather the sorrowing of the Damned
because the Lord would not always suffer
them to take happiness and sin so the
sorrow of the world would be I want to
do all these things which are wrong but
maybe I'm mad at God or I'm mad because
of the consequences that I have
I don't want to change I want to keep
doing these things I just don't want all
these consequences to come along with
him
that would be worldly sir and so Paul in
these chapters and in all of his letters
here gives us consistently this yin and
yang of this separation between things
from sorrow to our temples our body and
our spirit to tell us that we are in a
world with a certain god of this world
where we need to live under different
rules than we're used to so that we can
be tested and that that testing is not
more than we can handle but we still
have to be tested so that we can grow
and learn and change our bodies and our
spirits into something more that
resembles the image of God I'll talk to
you next time
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