The World Is Confused—The Book of Mormon Isn't

John Hewlett and Greg talk about current events, Iran, political hypocrisy, and the West. The Book of Mormon Saw This Coming

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The world is confused, but the Book of Mormon isn't. In this episode, I bring on my friend John Hwlet, who is the founder of Cardio Miracle. We talk about
Iran, prophecy, the courage to stand, and how the West is completely confused and paralyzed and has absolute political
hypocrisy at this time. So, we'll be discussing Iran, the Middle East, uh protests, etc. We go from one end of the
spectrum to the other on all these different topics. Now, let me talk to you just a little bit about Cardio Miracle. You guys know that this is here. I have got it up on my shelf. I've
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So, John, what is your take on the Iran conflict? I mean, where are we at? Is there ever really going to be a resolution to this?
Well, I think the um Greg, it's an interesting thing. I I I was seeing I I I saw on Facebook a couple of quotes and
it was it went from Hillary to Obama to Biden all saying that they would do whatever it took to make sure that Iran
never would have a nuclear weapon, including force if they had to. and and it's so in what's so paralyzing I think
in our country is the hypocrisy of our political system and uh the fact that
you don't know who to believe. I mean, you know, and and part of I think part of one of the things that um you
mentioned I I think when you were talking about the book torn um which I actually ran across down I was at my one
of my grandson's missionary um farewell or his endowment and his high school graduation. I was looking through that
book and it was ironic that then you were talking about it on your broadcast.
Um but you know the one of the great tools this the uh adversaries always used is confusion and that everything is
about confusing people and causing them to doubt and and ironically in in
talking about and I think you stated it so well that you know people we're all shocked that so many people are leaving
the faith leaving activity they're walking away from their covenants walking away from their pioneer heritage and anything in the church. Well, the
irony is that our government um you know has been we've been
subjected to an Iranian um hierarchy that's stated goal is to destroy and annihilate Western civilization.
And when that's their stated goal, and we've all seen the, you know, death to America, chance and everything else, and we see all the things going on, it's
it's really hard to get your arms around. Uh that they were a very very powerful nation and we went in and
virtually disarmed them without harming too much of their population. a lot
different than you know when we had the atomic bomb in Japan what happened with Japan. So this was very surgical in
comparison, but the reality is they still are determined to have nuclear
weapons. And unfortunately there's already some bad actors that have nuclear weapons. And so it's but the idea that that you could have someone
whose sole intent is to destroy Western civilization and Israel um that that really I think that makes it pretty
clear that we have to stand up and occasionally fight. And one of the dilemmas we have I think as Latter-day Saints is that we we have become
pacifists of sorts. Uh you know and and I I've always liked your term teddy bear Jesus. the the idea that that we're
supposed to just be kind and nice and everything else. We we forget about all of the very very harsh things that
occurred in the Old Testament and in the Book of Mormon in dealing with wickedness. And so my my take is
we need to try to make the world as safe as possible. Everything we're seeing, I think, in Iran is fulfillment of biblical prophecy anyway. Uh this we
shouldn't be surprised by it. And I really think that the administration has shown amazing restraint in trying to
make a peaceful deal as opposed to just going in and just annihilating their entire culture. Uh wiping out their
cities, wiping out their power grids, their bridges, their transportation, etc. I I think it's been I think they've showed a great deal of restraint with
people whose vowed interest and when they have their own uh brethren of the house of Ishmamail that are afraid of
them and don't want to deal with them either that should validate our situation. And I I happen to think that they the challenge is that they don't
know who's in charge really and there's still the fanatics fanatics involved.
But my sources keep saying that we're getting closer and closer, but you know, you're dealing with people who aren't really rational. So, it's hard to
negotiate and they're they're so diffused currently in their culture and their politics that I think it's it's a
difficult time. It's a very difficult time. But I I think I think the president and the administration I think is doing everything possible to try to
resolve it without harming the rank and file uh Iranian people.
Yeah, I would agree with you on that. I think that's true and I think it had to be done. Um and the confusion now is you know and I
will say this comes from both sides sometimes. It's it's whatever the other side is doing we're going to be against and and so it's it's a matter of you
know hey come because they want the power right they want the power they want the political power they want to accomplish their agendas and so that's
where the confusion comes in with Iran I think you know the way I see it and and I and I've talked to people I know
they're in the Middle East and and and that work on these things and it it seems to me that the Iranians the Iran Iranian regime, not the Iranians
themselves, but the Iranian regime, that getting the nuclear bomb
and destroying America is not just a political objective, but it is actually part of their religion. It's a religious objective, pastor.
It's a religious objective. So, when you put that in and say that this is what, you know, Allah wants, this is what God wants, and and we're going to do everything and we can't disappoint God.
We're going to do everything we can no matter what, even in the situation they're in right now, to accomplish what we need to do
9 minutesbecause it is a religious directive that they feel that they have in being able to put themselves in that position to to spread their ideology.
So, I I I I actually, you know, I'm probably wrong on this, but I will be surprised if they actually surrender.
Yeah, I think that's probably true. And it's going to the question is is are they going to be able to find a way for
our unilateral stance that says they cannot have enriched uran uranium? Is there going to be some way of verifying that
to avoid the idea of having a major desolation attack on the infrastructure and bringing the entire country down?
That's my next question is, well, how do you stop China and and North Korea from getting it to them?
Right. So, it's it's I think that they're, you know, it's I don't they're not going to I just don't see these people stopping. And, you know, I I I I
I'm reminded of the Book of Mormon with the Nephites and the Lammonites. There's a hatred and and a murderous intent on
the Lemonite side, you know, to destroy the religion of the Nephites and to destroy their liberty and destroy their
way of life and wipe them out and and and so it's it's very similar that it never goes away for them outside of the time that Jesus appears.
Yeah. and they have uh um you know that witness and and and they have you know a couple hundred plus years of of peace.
It just doesn't go away. And so I I I think it's a very difficult situation.
And I'm not saying this would be my objective, but I I don't think that this goes away without
either imprisoning or getting rid of the individuals that subscribe to that ideology that are in power. I I just don't see how it goes away.
And and it's probably a little bit like whack-a-ole. There's probably so many of them. It might be almost impossible to do that. And so that's that's why you
almost have to bring down the entire government, unfortunat, which is a horrific thought.
Yeah. It's interesting. You talked about you talked about, you know, the the Iranians and and that even some of their, you know, sons of Ishmael, so to speak, don't don't like what they're
doing. So I go to Egypt a lot and and you know of course they don't like Israel but they also don't like Iran.
Exactly. No. Exactly.
You know I was I was in Egypt when the war started. Yeah.
And it was not an issue to me. I mean I never felt a problem. I was never you know I was walking with my backpack in
the streets of Cairo and you know there were no there was no issue. I I I know a lot of these people and but it's there
is a a fragmentation there especially between Sunni and and uh and the Shia uh
12 minutesyou know the Egypt in Egypt they're they're Sunni and they look at the Iranians they're like they're not even Muslim right because they're Shia
Muslims but it's there is a faction you got the the the Gulf states uh that are in support of taking out
Iran because they're the ones that in the immediate uh crosshairs of of Iran. That's right.
As well. And they're the most moderate of everyone in the Middle East.
That's right. Well, they're more capital.
They're financial people. They're financial pragmatic financial people that want a better life. I I was in Dubai a couple of weeks before the bomb started flying. So So it's like, wow.
It's it is interesting. But you know there's so and and you know from the safety standpoint that it's horrific everywhere. It's more dangerous in New
York or Chicago than it is in in Cairo or even Jerusalem most of the time. So it's kind of an interesting it's a
dilemma but uh you know we got to just pray for wisdom. Uh I I think it's been interesting uh watching the emergence of
Mara Marco Rubio uh Marco Rubio. He's he's really come come forward in a major
interesting international way and and you know he was baptized LDS as a as a child. His family left the church went
back to the Catholic church I think when he was like 12 or something. But I think he has uh he has reasonable thoughts about his the his brief LDS background.
Well, he's pretty articulate. Very.
I mean, I I I remember in the Senate and I was a little bit, you know, okay, maybe he was he was very uh
I would put him in a category where I respect him and I really like him, but he was very uh
wow, how am I missing his name here? I'm getting old. John uh um jeez he's the he's the senator from my state who passed McCain.
Oh John McCain he was he was very John McCain Bush he was a Bush Republican.
Yeah he was a Bush Republican and that has changed what you know when Bush Bush when Bush was in in the
presidency I was a Bush Republican. As the years have gone on I've become less impressed. Um but uh Rubio I think has
caught the vision of the conservative moment movement and I think he's very articulate very very very articulate and
I'm I've been very impressed with the things he's done and and and boy is he fast on his feet. I used to think Ted
Cruz was fast on his feet but Rubio is fast on his feet and actually has a nicer tone the way he does it. But he's
he's very very polished in his uh in his ability to speak and uh convey the messages.
What do you make of the the protests which I've seen now in some
headlines they're called agitators which is a lot more appropriate uh in in in these areas of like like
immigration detention centers and and and and places you know where wherever they can confront ICE
um they are highly organized they're funded you know what what are your thoughts thoughts on that? I mean, you know, on
the other side, would you say, "Hey, it's great if a bunch of conservative agitators were paid and and and going
out against Planned Parenthood and doing the same thing to them or something like that." What What are your thoughts on that?
Well, I I think what I my thoughts are the double standard of hypocrisy is enough to drive me a little baddy.
Seriously, because if conservatives or patriots did what others do, they would
be castigated and thrown to the wolves or arrested. I mean, I was just reading uh today about somebody who posted on
Facebook about his involvement in January 6th and his imprisonment, the cost, the loss of his business, loss of everything. And he was just walking
around. He was just walking around and yet he was put on a list probably. Yeah. And once they they had him on a photo or
whatever, then they they virtually ruined his life. Um I I'm I'm certain I
can't Well, for example, how would you like to be a Chicago policeman that got run over by a car, you know, trying to
help dispel a a protest? I can't imagine why anyone would be willing to be a police officer in those cities or be
willing to be an ICE official trying to get the the bad guys out. Do I think they probably do everything right? No.
But, you know, they're they're living every day not knowing if they're going to get a brick in the head or a bullet or whatever. I mean, that's a very very
difficult assignment and and there's no cooperation. And yes, it's a mess because these previous political
17 minutesadministrations allowed everyone to come in unfiltered, unvetted, un in any way.
And now they're trying to deal with that and there's going to be some collateral damage whenever you're chang,
you know, are melding down over the price of gas. Now, I understand that. I I don't like it. I I'm I'm a funny guy.
I make a a good living. I've always done well, but I'll drive five miles out of my way to save 5 cents on gas. I just
have a mental issue about it. So, I can certainly I can't even imagine how hard it is for the average person dealing
with filling up their tank every every day, every three times a week. But the reality is we're out of control. The the
economy is out of control. The fraud and waste is out of control. One of the things that I've said on a number of podcasts is I and I was saying it months
ago, if you just got rid of the fraud and the waste and the and the bad business decisions, most of our economic
woes would go away. Would be able to do a better job for the home homeless or the uh what do they say? The unhoused in
in LA. They're calling them the unhoused. Um, and I'm a huge advocate that the churches should take over to
providing benefits for those in need, those with disability, those with other things. And and Greg, since we've
talked, I have had an epiphany. I I'll be happy to share with you. Of course, you know that I've characterized myself as a charismatic, evangelical, born
again member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And that's getting some traction. I'm getting some pretty interesting people. um some some
more devote more devout people than myself are embracing that. But had some great missionary experiences using that
term. But one of the things that was interesting during conference, general conference, I was sitting there and I was reflecting as they were doing the
statistics of the church and even though they don't talk that specifically about the finances and everything else, you know, there was a certain amount of
collateral damage from 18 months ago when Ensign Peak came out, you know, that it came out that there was, you
know, over hundred billion dollars in the investment fund. Well, my epiphany for me being a financial person over the
years was I've always felt like we probably should give even more. Um, we should probably do more for the the
causes, but we do the five, six, 8 billion, 10 billion or whatever, which is more than all the other mainstream
Christian churches are doing. So, why we get criticized when we're doing more than than virtually anyone else in the charitable side, I don't know. But the
epiphany was this. Don't we all wish the government was run as efficiently as the church is? Even though the church isn't
as efficient as it should be? And we all perhaps have heard stories about somebody's cousin was in charge with something. And so all of a sudden the
carpets were a certain color in the church. And you know there's some insider dealings on certain things that have happened and and obviously there's
some some people have gotten very very wealthy being in the business of doing the church's work. But that's just called commerce and business. But my
epiphany was we don't account for perhaps I hadn't accounted for the tens
of billions of dollars that we are using what I would call in the spirit world
welfare program. And so basically that we're spending 5 to8 billion on earthly
welfare and earthly charitable causes, but we're spending tens of billions on eternal welfare for the work for the
dead, the temples, all of the expense of that. And that that's not ever put in dollars and cents in an effective way to
say we're really probably investing 2030 billion or more per year, which is
probably in in keeping with having a 100red or 200 million billion dollar reserve and having you know most of the
church's assets are in hard land and real estate which is is a little bit less liquid. But it was really valuable
for me to think about that the the the return on investment for the temple work and the temples which are wonderful. I
mean you see the gorgeous you know I was down in your area the Gilbert temple stunning. I went to I went I went to the PAC temple stunning.
Went to the snowflake Arizona temple Saturday.
more modest but different but beautiful stained glass but always beautiful but always beautiful and always the the best of the
best. So that was my epiphany is oh we're investing billions in the
spiritual welfare of all who've lived who need to have the temple ordinances done. And so we shouldn't lose any sleep
about whether or not the church is is giving away enough or that that we shouldn't continue our obligations to
help build the kingdom with our resources. And aren't we glad that the church isn't uh $40 trillion dollars in
debt like others? It was it has been in debt before and it has m early days and then even coming up into the end of the 19th
century and the David McKay era when they brought in Nelen Tanner we had leveraged and built chapels all over the South Pacific all
over the world and we had some problems and uh and so you know really it's only been the last 50 years that the church
has been on a trajectory and inside Peak started just after 2000 So, you know, you're talking about in less than 20
years amassing this fairly substantial reserve. Uh, but it made me feel a lot better about it having that little
epiphany of the fact that we're doing billions for the for the living and more billions even for the dead as a part of
the outreach of the charitable mission of the church.
Yeah, I like that. I I think that's a good way to put it. Good way to think about it. Um, okay, back to politics.
Is Trump going to last through his term?
Well, he seems to be almost bulletproof. Um, he seems to have
had he seems to have had his life preserved.
um the the latest and who knows what you can believe from wherever you believe it, but there was Steven Gardner who's
actually a a friend of mine who has a a good political MAGA podcast. Um he'd actually be a great guest for you
because he's a he's a faithful Latter-day Saint. He's a good man and he's done really well. But he he had a
poll that just came out that said that, you know, 70 or 58%
of the country uh well no 70 over 70% supported Iran and obviously over 80%
supports passing the act that citizens should have you should be citizens to vote voting. Uh but then there was a
couple of other things that was quite interesting. Um but it it apparently it went from looking pretty gloomy on
the midterms to now if in fact they can resolve Iran and that's why I think we need to watch the next two to three
weeks quite carefully if that gets resolved one way or another and and we see gas relief. I think the biggest issue that most people have with the
current administration is they don't want to pay the high gas prices that they were paying back in the previous administration anyway. They've forgotten
that it was high. Um and there were shortages and they were pulling out of the reserve uh the country's reserve to
25 minuteskeep the prices down. Um, I think I think that um I I think the odds are are
pretty good that that he he will and and I think that uh Vance JD Vance is getting traction on the fraud and abuse
side. if they can just try to come up with a way to get the straight of Hormuse open and functioning and if they
can make a deal where they can get some verifiable saving face on the uranium being confiscated or destroyed or
whatever, I think then I think the odds are pretty good that that he can survive that.
So, what what do you think about h how would you frame the loss of Senator Corn and yesterday in Texas with that?
Actually, I'm quite happy about it. Okay.
I I've only because I'm really I'm really tired of rhinos myself. Mhm.
I've I've become more of a a conservative Republican on economic issues,
libertarian on some issues, and then obviously Latterday Saint core values on humanitarian issues and life issues.
It's kind of where I'm at politically and and so I frankly would love to see the entire Congress replaced. I'd love
to see term limits. I I know there's that's what I want. Well, I think term limits are important.
I I think that there's it's it's disgraceful. There certainly should they certainly should not have a different
health care plan. They shouldn't have a different retirement plan. they should never be able to invest actively in
their portfolios under the I mean this idea of people like some in the in
primarily there's we we look at in the Democratic side but there are others on the Republican side that have enriched
themselves while others never enriched themselves that I know that that basically they they were on a couple of
boards and they ended up doing okay after they were out of office, but they didn't become multi-millionaires while
they were existing on a $200,000, $150,000 salary. I mean, that's that's outrageous. And there's so many I mean,
how does how does somebody go from a community organizer to hundreds of millions in net worth in, you know, a period of a dozen years? That's crazy.
So yeah, it it really well you know there's a a Nancy Pelosi advisory basically you go out you see whatever whatever she has
purchased because she's just you know becomes fabulously wealthy on these these stock tra following her tra her her husband's trades you're going to do really well.
I heard she sold Sprint Airlines uh or Spirit Airlines stock right before right before right before the bankruptcy.
You can't make this stuff up. I mean it's like but that's the problem the you know but Greg what all we have to do is
go in the Book of Mormon and read about the Gadatans and and we're seeing it in real life and and that's why when people
are leaving the church I'm going man just go read the Book of Mormon and people say well I I'm I think you know
Joseph Smith copied it from the you know the G view of the Hebrews or whatever. I said have you ever read that book? I
mean, have you ever read the Spalding manuscript? I mean, give me a break. I mean, if if you or I were gonna try to
write the Book of Mormon, we wouldn't write it with 520 pages. We wouldn't have had the Mulikites, the Geredites,
the the different people, the thousands of different names, p places, things. It would have been 150 pages. Basically, it
would have stole the doctrines we wanted to talk about and then basically said, "And give all the money to us as the leaders." I mean, that's that's what you'd say if you were trying to
plagiarize. The Book of Mormon to me is the cornerstone rock of
of what I believe that combined with a lifetime of spiritual experiences that overcomes all the rest of the stuff that people have problems with.
Does does for me.
Yeah. Don't you think it's so important then to map out kind of what what Mormon is doing in that book as far as hey, I'm
thinking about the future. I know this is going to the Gentiles. I know what they're going to go through. I I have seen it. I have seen, you know, talked I
have I have a DNA of prophetic visions from previously that I have because we only have a small amount obviously, but he's got this mass amount of of of
documentation on, you know, what what what they see in the future and prophecies, prophecy after
I mean, my goodness. And so that's the part that I find interesting when people say, well, you know, I'm I'm concerned about the Book of Mormon. My comment to
them is when's the last time you read it? When's the last time you did something other than look at the page that you're trying to follow somebody
who said, "Well, I don't like the way this was translated." I mean, I was visiting with someone and they brought up the uh the um words of Isaiah. And I
said, "Well, what you don't understand is that the words of Isaiah were important to the Israelites, to the
house of Israel." And Jeremiah was at the same time as Lehi.
Isaiah was before his words were important. That's why they went to get the brass plates is they needed the
words of Isaiah so they could take it with them wherever they were headed and it would be available to their people
and to the future. And and obviously um people just can't don't put they they look at the Bible and they look at the
Bible as if it was all of a sudden published in in the 4th century and handed out to people and that that then there were some changes. They don't
understand the whole history of the accumulation of the scriptures, the relationship of the King James version,
the Apocrypha. I mean, you're a you're a much better gospel scholar than I, but when you look at all that and you look at the complexities, you look at the
Book of Mormon. I look at the Book of Mormon as as an amazing I mean, different tones, different writing styles, and everything else and and you
think this this young man while he was on the run for 60 days pulled this off and put this together. I mean, give me a break. That that's that defies all
logic. I I couldn't even with with AI, I could write a book, but not with anywhere near the complexities of all
the different things that had to tie in to the Book of Mormon narrative over, you know, that thousand-year period of time.
Yeah, I I fully agree. I don't think there's any question about that.
Speaking of AI, uh how do you see AI, evil, good? What what what what is what role does that
32 minutesplay in our society? what what role does it play in the church? You have you have just recently the pope coming out and talking about how we have to keep it
under wraps to a certain degree in terms of it's got to be built for morality, right? It's got to which I don't know how you do that. I mean, you're talking
about something without a soul, but but you know, it's got to be built for morality. Elder Dong, I went to a
conference of his last year uh at the church office building and and and he talked a lot about AI and how it could
be used for good, you know, what to watch out for. He just spoke again, I think yesterday in Athens uh at at a
conference on AI as well and and so he seems to be the one him and Elder Bedar seem to be the ones that are kind of out front of this thing. But what what what
do you how do you view this? Well, I think we have much better um Sunday school or sacrament talks because of it.
And half the time I can tell Sunday school lessons. No, I mean what what's great I mean I love I I'm just I find it
interesting. I'm about as technically challenged as as a person can be and I'm finding it to be a wonderful new friend
of mine because it saves me an enormous amount of time for a non-technical person doing a certain amount of
research. Now, interesting enough, I find myself debating with it because in my business, you know, in the supplement
world with my I'll I'll ask it a medical question and it'll come back with the standard stock medical answer
and then I'll say to it, have you read this published study by Frontiers in
Nutrition August of 2020 and applied that to your answer? and then it'll come back and go, "Oh,
you were right. That's really a good point. Vitamin D3 is important for this, this, this, and this." I mean, so what
I'm finding interesting is that it really is all about the prompts and the questions that you ask because again,
garbage in, garbage out. But the more and more that it's it's going to be opening up to new data, I I think it's
interesting. I mean if if you ask it about the church it actually comes back pretty favorably uh on on the things in there. So I found it in business to be
extremely helpful in certain things primarily the research side and helping on coordinating because there there is a
certain amount of human fallibility. But the good news is people are going to have to be smart enough to be able to
weed through where, for example, an answer might be coming from a prejuditial source of some sort of thing
that was fed into the system, so to speak. And so, uh, I I think it's probably the same as Elvis, the Beatles,
and the internet. Um, the world's not going to end because of AI. The world will end before that. that when the
savior comes, I just think it's another tool. I mean, think about it from genealogy standpoint. It's it's gonna it's going to be unbelievable. And
that's probably the reason why when we all said, "Well, the millennium is a thousand years." Well, we may not be spending all of our time in the
millennium filling out um family group sheets now with AI. So, so it it's it's
going to accelerate the work in a lot of ways. It'll accelerate perhaps the missionary effort in a lot of ways. But
I think like with anything else, it's going to be known for good and for evil depending on who's using it.
Yeah. I I heard a lot of the same arguments when the internet came around. Totally. To start with, right? It was very evil.
In fact, you even had arguments. I know this for a fact. You had arguments among the brethren about it. you know, I mean, like, of course, especially a couple hold outs that did
not want to even put our the church online, you know, and this is, you know, and I I understand that's natural, you know, you look at this
change and you don't know what it's going to bring and so you want to be careful, right? But, uh, well, let me just give you a funny story because you were in the financial world.
When I first started in the insurance business in 1974, one of the great stories we used to tell
was and I won't use his name but one he was president of the 12 and he later became president of the church but one
of the comments that he made was when in support of why people should buy life insurance which is what I was selling at
the time is that he made the argument that buying a good insurance policy was really more more important important
than something extravagant like a refrigerator
and and and an automobile. And so, you know, the reality is we we tend to
forget that all of these brethren are normal, that they're normal people. And
and because in my life I had I had great exposure to that normaly because I
happened to grow up in a home where my grandfather was an insider. He wasn't a general authority but he was president
of the tabernacle choir. He's helped start he was the brains behind the welfare program and the deserted
industries guiding Harold Belee as a businessman and he was best friends with
all the prophets best friends. And uh and so I grew up hanging out I mean I I
sat at a softball game and was calling balls and strikes as a seven-year-old with David McKay when I was seven years
old. So, so I knew that I mean and I I remember my mother and it's kind of
funny back in the day when the argument was you shouldn't drink CocaCola or the caffeinated drinks were bad. Uh
making the comment once, well, I drank Coca-Cola with the prophet and uh and the reality was she had had it with his daughter.
So, but the point is they're normal people and and and most of them uh would certainly acknowledge that and
there's been but as as members who aren't associated with them when they were normal people or had business dealings when they were normal people.
um we put them at an unrealistic plateau or on a pedestal assuming that everything they say is is the Ten
Commandments and that everything that they've ever done had to be perfect. And that's just not true. I mean, none of them, you know, I the great uh irony
people say the Catholics preach that the pope is infallible, but they don't believe it. The Latter-day Saints preach
that the prophet is fallible, but they don't believe it. So, it's just the opposite. In our world, we think we say
they're fallible, but we actually want to act like they would never make a mistake or say something that was out of line. when
most will would readily recognize their human frailties and that we're all just
trying to wafer our way as as pilgrims through mortality and do the best that we can.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, John, how is Cardio Miracle doing?
Cardio Miracle is having some great great experiences. Thanks for asking.
Uh, I know that a lot of your a lot of people don't don't want a big infomercial, but you know, one of the great things that's that's been
meaningful in my life, Greg, is that I happen to see little health miracles every day. you know, people who I I
mean, I had experiences on my my cruise where people were had had serious problems from the protocols from COVID
and their oxygen was bad and we were able to see their oxygen improve almost virtually immediately within days. We've
seen all kinds of things happen. Uh we're we are we just signed an arrangement to go international. Um,
we've got some wonderful, great new people coming on board to help take us to the next level. And our mission
remains the same. We're trying to help heal the hearts of mankind. Um, I've it's I' I've gotten it's allowed me now
to, you know, I mentioned before we're writing the book with Dr. Brad Nelson, the miracles of Polynesia, which talks about all the documented miracles, many
of the documented miracles from Hawaii all the way to to uh New Zealand and everywhere in between. And now in the church
in the church, which is great. And then we're actually now sponsoring the voices of our ancestors, which is a group of
Polynesian sisters have traced back the genealogy of all the Polynesian tribes as far back as they can go. and they
have these huge murals and we're helping them. We're bringing them over to the States. And um July the 22nd in Las
Vegas, we're going to have an expo with them on the 25th and 26th. In St.
George, we're going to have them at the Dixie Center. And then at the uh community center in West Valley in Salt Lake on the 28th and 29th. So, I'm
getting behind that. I went on my mission to New Zealand. I love the Polynesians. uh like like many uh the
descendants are losing their faith in many ways. They need to hear these miracles just like you and I as elders and missionaries. We loved hearing about
Matthew Cali. We loved hearing about the miracles that he had. Well, we're going to have a book of miracles that that makes that look like the first chapter.
It's going to be amazing. And this Polynesian genealogy, the the purpose of it is helping people understand who they
are. And I think one of the things that we have in our mission, your mission, is is to help everyone understand that they
are delineated sons and daughters of of God and brothers of the Savior. and that we
need to recognize and value this earth experience for what it's worth and do our part to lift others around us and
endure to the end. That's what we're supposed to do and prepare for the second coming and lift everywhere we can
and agree even if we don't agree to be uh reasonable even if we don't agree
with everything that's going on around us whether it be church state school home at school or at play you know
hold fast to that which is true hold on to the iron rod which to me is the spirit of revelation and spiritual
experiences and I If people will do that, which is what I'm trying to do and and extol to my those who listen to me,
then I think that we'll be okay if we do that part of our live our lives that way.
Fantastic. And of course, as everybody knows on this channel, I I I use Cardio Miracle every day. I went with without it for just a little bit. I could tell
the big difference when I did. Uh and and it has changed a lot for me. I mean, and I say that in a way it's not like, oh, I think better. I I have less brain
fog or something like that. that though that may be true as well but but you know it's actual lab work it's actual blood pressure it's everything
you know that has that has really uh helped me out so I I appreciate that and I endorse the product 100%. Sure.
Well, and the good news is for those who are celebrity oriented, just a week ago I was on a show. I met the uh guitarist for the Beach Boys, the touring group.
One day on Cardio Miracle, he tested me.
He says this. He texted me. He said, "This is the best thing I've ever seen." He says, "I'm going to get this to Mike Love." He says he needs it because his
oxygen levels are low. He's 85 years old. So, he's getting it to Mike Love.
And then u we recently uh had the opportunity I was approached and Mel Osman just decided that he would like to
be part of our spokesman u and and that he and I are going to work on uh some things with the Joseph Smith descendants
and foundations and other things. But Merryill's having wonderful benefits off of Cardio Miracle as well. So we've had a lot of fun. I gave some the other
night to Donnie at his show. Um, so we've got some interesting people that are kicking around and of course we we
love our athletes, uh, athletic performance, but the main benefit for a lot of people, Greg, is when they see
family members, parents, grandparents that are mobile, healthy, not getting sick. I haven't been sick in now 18
years since I've been on nitric oxide supplementation.
It's life, but it's it's worth having a better life by helping to have good nutrition that enables you to live a healthier and happier life.
Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate that. And we're going to keep talking about it. So, John, thanks so much for your time. Uh, always love our conversations.
Great to be with you, Greg. Keep up the good work.