Earlier this week, Israel passed a law requiring the UNRWA, the United Nations arm for Palestinian refugee relief, to cease operations and leave Gaza and the West Bank. Why, because it is infiltrated by Hamas according Israeli officials.
Jabra Ghneim, a Palestinian-born American academic, discusses this standoff and the relationship between the United Nations and Israel.
Interestingly, BYU just had a representative of the UNWRA speak on campus.
The Antisemitism of college campuses is now infiltrating the activist administrations and teachers of American K-12 education.
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this episode I bring on my friend Jabra ganame who is a Palestinian born American and has a great insight into
what's going on with the Israeli Palestinian conflict a branch of the UN which supplies Refugee support to Gaza
Strip and to the West Bank is now being considered by Israel to be infiltrated completely by Hamas and just earlier
this week they passed a law that required that all work from the UN there be suspended this is a Faceoff between
the UN and Israel at a very high level interestingly BYU just invited the director of
philanthropy of the unrwa which is the branch of the UN infiltrated by Hamas to
come and speak at the Kennedy Center but they haven't brought in someone from the opposite view a Zionist from the Israeli
point of view additional anti-Semitism is still prevalent at universities throughout the country and now it's
being infiltrated and now the kada2 space is being infiltrated by programs
targeting our kids in support of a Hamas based Palestinian position against
Israel and cified as part of their curriculum we cover all of that with Jabra here in this episode this episode
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go all right welcome to Quick show my name is Greg Matson and I am your host in this episode we bring back Jabra
ganame Jabra welcome Hey thank you Greg thank you for having me great to have
you back we're going to talk about the unrwa its uh association with possibly
Hamas almost certainly with Hamas and uh what's going on you wrote something on
substack that I want to get into that's talking about anti-Semitism in the kada 12 space and in the universities which
is very interesting yeah I know I know yeah that's it's it's been one of my beefs for the last year you know as an
academic you know I'm not a part of any University and stuff but you know I was a part of Academia for many years of my
life and it's just annoying to me the the whole anti-Semitism on campus topic
which seems to have pervaded I mean almost every campus in the country yes now we're hearing about it on the K12
space which is very distressing yeah so before we get into that I want to go back to the unw UA and and and what's
going on there for people who don't know this is a branch of the UN it is for the Palestinian refugees they've been
working for decades in Gaza and the West Bank uh as a relief organization for
refugees there um but according to Israel anyway they the uh organization
has been infiltrated by Hamas at at Big levels high levels high levels so yeah
so you know here is the thing about ra so it started after the 1948 War as you
said and their task was there was many displac there were many displaced
Palestinians about 750,000 of them and
you know they moved to Lebanon Syria Egypt Jordan and so anra was tasked
which is usually the task of the UN after a big war is to either resettle or
help the the refugees go back like help the refugees temporarily help resettle them somewhere
else get them to a safe place and maybe you can repatriate them back when
possible so that's the Mandate what ended up happening with anra is that
they continued and this is something probably most of your audience unless
you're like a Palestinian or a Jordanian you nobody would know this what they did
in the original days in in the' 40s is they would give you and each member of
your family a food card it's like a it's like a coupon with your name basic
information on it and that's how you got food from the UN that's how you got your
tent that's how you were admitted into one of the UN schools which by the way
my mother taught in anra school she was ahead of school for many years before she got married to my dad so it wasn't
it wasn't this evil Sinister organization to start with but then what
happened is you had the conflict you you go into 1990 after the Oslo
cord and you'd think and and many Palestinians I mean many of those 700,000 people have either died or
resettled on their own in places at least like Jordan where they were even
given passports they immigr ated into Australia New Zealand Canada you know
many other places and got the citizenships of those countries but they still kept their food card now that food
card became your ID as a refugee so even
if you're an American of Palestinian Heritage even if you're one of those original 700,000 people who immigrated
to the US and became an American citizen you were still considered a refugee H and not only
that your family if you stayed in Lebanon in Jordan certain places in
Jordan in Syria and certain places in Egypt the UN would issue your children
who are born in those places that card which fine if you want to use it to get
food and stuff but that became that basically
perpetuated this their whole and I'm going to use a term that's going to sound weird in English but refugeeness
so you were considered a refugee even though Now by birth you're born Lebanese
you're born Palestinian you're you're born I'm sorry you're born Jordanian you're born Egyptian Etc so it
perpetuated it and the result of that and this has been one of the things that always annoyed me about this is that you
have PE people in Lebanon who are the descendants of the original people who
moved from you know Northern Israel to Lebanon or move to
Jordan the Lebanese the Lebanese government says we're not going to give citizenship to these people who are born
here and who speak our dialect who are for all purposes are Lebanese we're not
going to give them citizenship because they were born to these Palestinian refugees and of course with the UN
perpetuating that status that perpetuates the refugees so now you you have the Palestinian refugee population
growing from 700,000 to 7 million and it the count of
simply because of the we're going to keep everybody Under the Umbrella of the refugee program yes we're not going to
card even if you become a citizen even if you you're like my uncle for example
did the other countries do the same thing what about Jordan and Egypt as well I mean you got the surrounding areas there did they not allow those
refugees to become their kids to become citizens as well that that is a good point so Jordan is a special case two
things happened in Jordan in Jordan initially the jordanians gave passports
to many of these refugees we call them the five-year passport which means you've become a Jordanian citizen but
then in 1988 the father of the current King King Hussein he revoked the ties
between the Palestinian territories and Jordan he said you are no longer a part
of Jordan that was even before the Oslo Accords and what ended up happening is
those refugees or those Palestinians would be given a two-year
passport which is sort of like a travel Document it doesn't give you Jordanian citizenship but it allows you to travel
as a Jordanian would travel but for all purposes it marked you as a Palestinian
refugee rather than a Jordanian Citizen and Jordanian now say there is no way we
will accept even those people who have those two year Jordanian passports will
they refuse to take them in as Jordanian citizens and this is what drives the
Israelis mad and it drives me mad because it's keeping those people in
limbo those people do not they are not refugees anymore they were born in that
country they have resettled for all all practical purposes in that country the
only thing that's happening is that the UN through Andra is basically perpetuating their status as second
class or even third class citizens which is not fair for these people it's making them poor it's making preventing them
from having proper education preventing them from travel etc etc so that's a
situation that needs to end and that's why when the Israelis say we do not want to talk about the so-called right of
return because there's no right of return anymore most of the 700,000
original refugees are dead or are in there 80s and 90s even if Israel says
we're going to allow these people to return the only people who are legitimately rures are probably we can
count them on your fingers proper probably people who are my mom's age or something their 80s or you know early
90s if they are still around so that's what anra has been doing now
they have offices everywhere where there are you know these so-called Palestinian refugees and of course Gaza is
considered even though most all of gaza's population was born there they
are considered refugees even though they are settled people now to give you an idea there is an agency that the
UN you know established after the Korean War called anra the United Nations
Korean reconstruction agency and they resettled the Korean
refugees they resettled them in South Korea they took care of business and then they shut down and anra has not and
both organizations are the same age so that's that's a problem I I have with
anra it's it's just very problematic and of course now there is their ties to terrorism I mean the Israelis I think
have so how how long then on this Jabra so so it starts off with great
intentions um it perpetuates things also probably with great intentions but but
lead but obviously you know doesn't really work out right it's it's harming
them at this point but when does it start becoming infiltrated by Hamas ah yeah
so basically I Hamas takes over the Gaza
Strip in 2015 of course they walk in they kind of win the elections
Abbas and the US say no we will not allow rightly so we will not allow Hamas to be the representative of the
Palestinian people so Hamas has a they go in and they literally throw
the PLO representatives of 2006 yeah they threw them off the roof this is the
method of execution and they take over and I think them into retire permanent retirement
permanent retirement exactly so so it's
interesting because the UN at that point had two choices to make the UN had to
say we will not deal with a terrorist organization that does this and they
chose the path where okay we're going to stay and work with these people at that point the UN should have said we're not
going to work with you yes you won the elections yes it was fair and square it
was a fair and square elections but Hamas has in its Charter the destruction of Israel terrorism is in its Charter so
that you can't allow a terrorist organization to take over and I don't know why they were on the ballot to
start with which always was confusing to me but the UN at that point should have put its foot down and said nope we're
not going to operate here but what happened they stayed and Hamas you know had all of its people
employed in UN in in in in anra and so you're tax
money my tax money everybody's tax money in the Free World is going to finance
this organization so the teachers the administrators and of anra end up being
Hamas operatives I mean when I see the lists that come out of Israel of you
know the people who work for anra and their role in Hamas which there was a big cash discovered a couple of weeks
ago with lists and lists of names I mean it is mindboggling to me the whole
organization was under hamas's control and the UN knew that there's no way they
didn't yeah so so Israel knows this yeah they've known it for a long time they're
finally now throwing up their hands to saying we we give up you guys are never going to change this so we are
suspending basically outlawing yes the uh unra to to operate
in Gaza and West Bank yes and this is a law that just passed on Monday this week earlier this week right ex just passed
and now you've got a real big conflict because you do have some needs there that are are supplied by them right that
for the refugees in these areas but they're operating also as a terrorist
organization right and so yeah Israel Outlaws them in being able to to offer
Refugee support so to speak yes and uh and the UN is saying and then they're
telling the UN you have to re you have to replace this you have to get rid of it and completely replace it with a new
organization and the UN is saying that's not our problem now do you think that
they're actually saying to Israel that's your problem not ours right and so do do
you think that the UN because let's be honest the UN is anti-israel overall oh
yeah everybody obviously but as a group they're completely anti-israel so are
they just leveraging what they've already got in place and saying no we're
just leaving it here we're not willing to work with you yeah uh and and and pushing back in that sense or do you
think that they've got a legitimate that the UN has a legitimate gripe here with Israel no the UN does not have the
answer is no to the latter question they do not because they have multiple organizations there is the world food
program there is all kinds of organizations that can work in Gaza all
they have to do is just get their people in and not work with the with the Hamas operatives on the ground they they are
more than cap of taking care of their tasks without unra unra is finished in there and you're right the the problem
with the UN right now I mean when you have an organization that puts Iran or
Syria or Saudi on their human rights and the leadership of their Human Rights
Council give me a break give me a break if that's not a joke I don't know what
it is I mean I was never like in the camp of the United States needs needs to with draw from the UN but based on their
behavior I mean they are not the organiz they are against the charter for which
they were were originally established I mean the this is an organization that
fully collaborates with in my opinion and supports the worst terrorist
horrible regimes in the world the worst and they do not condemn them they do not
move a finger or say a word in condemnation of Saudi behavior of Iranian Behavior
like we had this poor guy from California he's an Iranian American executed he he gets kidnapped from the
United Arab Emirates in daylight somehow they managed to smuggle him to Iran sham
trial execute him a father of a father you know he has a family of beautiful
family of girls and boys and it was heartbreaking the UN said how many words
zero zero to condemn that and yet Iran sits in the Human Rights Council it is
scandalous and you know what else they're saying that the the UN also has never held a session that I'm aware of
on October 7th and the atrocities that happen on October 7th nor have they held
a session on the hostages that are still being held ex nothing nothing about the
hostages whatsoever zero and here is the problem if let's say you're I don't know I'm
sure you remember during after 911 everyone raised the fuss about
Guantanamo and oh why can't the Red Cross or lawyers go meet these horrible
people you know Taliban alqaeda and all these people killers and the world
Community just condemned the United States for not allowing the Red Cross and allowing lawyers has anyone asked
Hamas or the you know Palestinian Authority to let the Red Cross or
lawyers or anyone go see the hostages we don't know if they are alive or dead or
anything and they yeah nothing nothing zero it drives
me crazy it drives me crazy like the scandalous level of discrimination
against Israel I mean it's unconscionable and they have this horrible person Francisco albanesi who
goes out spouts the worst anti-semitic tropes out there and she gets received like in Canada she gets received on us
campuses terrible horrible so I've lost faith in the UN
I've lost I I hope you know now that Trump has won I'm totally behind him on
whatever he decides to do with the UN situation CU I refuse to pay more or to
contribute more to that sham organization they need serious radical change they need to go back to their
Charter and be faithful to it well their interests are not our interest in many know not everybody again there's groups
that you know help out definitely but there's but overall it's the interest is
not America's interest no no it's not it's it's it's become recently to be
honest an anti-American organization they are anti-American and
it's unfortunate that the left in this country panders to them you know the
left panders to them and they let them and I bet you if we had like uh the
Republicans in power during you know October 7th the situation would have been totally different with the UN we
would have had a lot we would have exerted a lot of pressure on them but under Biden I mean he he's been he's
been great I I have to say he's done great things for for Israel but he
when it comes to the UN miserable failure miserable failure with the you know it's interesting I mean just going
because the election just happened but it's interesting that Michigan with the Muslim population that is there moved
toward Trump further than it ever has to the right before I have so to go to Trump I mean here they are and Trump is
actually saying he's pro Israel and and they move to the right and they and they they in bigger numbers and vote for
Trump yeah here is here is what you need to understand that wasn't a vote for Trump and
so I watched some clips coming out of Michigan and the Arab Community leaders
receiving him the Lebanese the Palestinian all of that there is a dynamic unless you're an Arab you will
never get you will never get unless you're an Arab but this was all about this Arab mentality and and I hate
to sound like I'm generalizing but in my mind that's how it works MH for the Arab
mind revenge is everything so if you I'd
rather you stab me in the face than stab me in the back as they say and to them
Biden and Harris and the Democrats betrayed them and stabbed them in the back so now comes Revenge so you could
tell like I was listening to some of these Arab leaders speak this was all about basically excuse the language
raising the middle finger at Harrison Biden more than a support for Trump and it's a game I think president Trump that
makes more sense to me yeah I think president Trump is Savvy enough he has a Lebanese son-in-law he's Savvy enough he
he he's familiar with that Dynamic but he would take it in way because he's a pragmatic guy and he knew what's coming
and I don't think I think there are large pockets of the Arab Community among the Christians the Christian Arabs
cadians you know the Iraqi Christians the Lebanese yeah Assyrians they love him
Armenian Christians I mean they love him and they are very sincere in their support of him but his reception in the
Islamic community is all about raising a middle finger to the Democrats kind of
you know I don't know and I don't think even the Biden people or the Harris people understand this but it's all
about hey we're gonna beat you because you you you betrayed us and this is a lesson we want to teach you this is I've
written another substack about I'll send you a link to it maybe you can add it to the footnotes or something but I wrote
about this the Arab Islamic community in Michigan especially in Detroit are The
Losers of this election because what's coming what's coming they are not going
to like what's coming to them they've lost faith permanently or any influence they have within the Democratic party
they've lost every amount of Faith they have within the Republican Party espe especially that woman she she has done
such a disservice you know to her community because she goes out instead of being a
bridge builder working congress with people trying to be someone who builds Bridges collaborate you know let's let's
come Together As Americans she's been a very divisive figure and very unamerican
she and ilhan Omar they've been very unamerican and it's a dis Grace they are
a disgrace to the Arab Community because we'd like to think of ourselves as
Americans we are Americans and they do not represent what an American should be
I mean they they are unwinding you know what over 150 years
of Arab American presence and they they are just making their communities look
like they are not integrated that they are not American that their loyalties are not it's they' have done us a
disservice and I wish they were never elected I mean it's been it's been terrible let me let me get back to uh
onra here we here's a quote from The Times of Israel on on the organization
it said talking about the infiltration of Hamas yeah right it says it is not just a few rotten apples no as un
Secretary General who's Antonio Gutierrez is is trying to claim right it
is uh unra and Gaza is a rotten tree entirely infect Ed with terrorist
operatives so they're saying it's gotten to a point where it's lost it's
completely lost is lost so where do you go from here then I mean they're gonna have an impass because if if the UN is
saying Israel You're gonna have to replace them or you're gonna have to do this uh and and and Israel is saying no
you need to replace this exactly where we go so just one more one thing to add
before I answer the question mhm The Smoking Gun number one evidence number
one in the case against them are their school curriculum I've seen them I didn't need anyone to tell me the
Israelis or anyone it's literally in school in math
imagine math math is a subject you cannot let ideology or religion or anything get into it right it it's it's
hard for me to Fathom how they did it but the the math questions that they
have in elementary school books seen a lot of them online and they were not AI
they were not fake you know I've seen many sources I've I've got it confirmed I I know for a fact they have math
problems like you have 100 Jews you Slaughter 90 of them how many remain
with the picture of a beheaded Jew and a man holding I mean horrible images like
that in a math book in a math book Islamic radicalism
indoctrination you name it in hon books books printed by money we pay to them
they print books like that unimaginable they are corrupt they are
rotten they need to be done with now what can replace them I'd say to the UN
the ball is in your court you figure it out you have the world food program they
already have offices in Egypt and Jordan and every country you have they have the
tools you can deal with this and leave it there leave the ball in their Court
do not negotiate with them do not and the Israelis here is the thing about the
Israelis I know for a fact that they sincerely are feeling even though they don't like Gins
right now but on the other hand the Israel Society is is a society with a
heart and I know this and they are hating what's happening all you know I think there is a famine but they're
hating what's happening on the other side because on their end they want to they know that these people are still
GNA be there and they're going to have to live with them they don't want to have a blood Feud with them forever they
want that to end because they want to go ahead and live in peace and do what they do
so they don't want this so but on the other hand they can't just continue in
fruitless empty negotiations with the UN or the Arabs just they have to say well we're sorry we're going to help you but
you have to figure it out and and not worry about it too much even though I know the some of the Israeli left
wouldn't wouldn't like this and they would criminalize Netanyahu for it and everything but but are they going to it
almost seems to me honestly I I I I think that number one they
want uh they want the organization the UN wants the organization to stay and
number two I don't think they want to help Israel no they do not they do not
want to help Israel in any way so I I don't think that I don't think they're going to do anything yeah I know and
they will not and here is where I have a little bit of Hope in a couple of months
Trump will be in power looks like it's a sweep in both houses of Congress he will figure it out with all
of those Arab leaders and with the UN and I'm hoping he'll have like a hawk in
in the UN to represent the United States and basically bring that house to order
like Nikki Haley did I think Nikki Haley did a superb job when she was in the UN
and kept them in check I don't think they will mess with with the Trump Administration on this it's just a
couple of months and that's why the Israelis when they shut it down they gave them 90 days they basically gave
them the same amount of time that you know until the Trump Administration comes in they didn't say you're shut
down effectively now they said we're giving you 90 days because it's timed for the Trump Administration and I think
you know the Trump Administration will figure it out with Andra they will resolve it now
interestingly just this last week BYU invited Han aladun who is the
senior director of philanthropy for unra yes and know now I don't think when
they probably originally invited him that they knew that all this was coming and the controversy was there and I don't know I mean how you would think
that those that are in charge of the Kennedy Center are very they've got their ear to the ground
on things they know what's going on they know there are questions about this organization and its affiliation with
Hamas I I would think what and he is a
uh uh Mr aladun here is a is a a BYU Alum yeah right so he went to he went to
maybe he's a great guy I I you know but it's it's just interesting that they this is who they invited to come speak
at the Kennedy Center I know and and you know this this has come as a surprise to
me I mean I saw the announcements on it through friends friends on social media and I was like I mean I kind of know
hany he is a great guy yeah he you know he's doing great work the soup kitchen
in Gaza but when I looked at the announcement and by usually the church
in general Church organizations are usually very cautious in how they
portray and how they present and I know that BYU specifically is building trying
to build Bridges with the Jewish community and Jewish organizations they've been doing that for years uh
especially Elder cook he seems to be the Outreach Jewish Outreach person okay so
I was I was shocked with a bold move like that
for on one hand I'm not against reaching out I'm not against you know honoring
alums but to invite someone who is a director at anra and actually put that
on the program given everything that's been happening that was very surprising
to me and it's kind of a hot potato you know a hot potato and it sends the wrong
message and then you know there were some posts in social media with some slides and of the content you know I was
like okay the are presenting him they're proud of him of what he has attained as a BYU Alum but then you look at you I
looked at some of the slides and they were Hamas talking points basically the lies the Hamas lies that for example
Gaza was this great prison on Earth surrounded on all sides that you know
there is genocide that you know I've I've heard that he said you know the I
want the evil Jews to be away away from me things like that usually BYU is more
cautious in that and I I didn't hear of any push against his points against his
historical errors during the presentation during the Q&A I didn't hear of anyone pushing back and you'd
think some of these professors would know better but the problem to me it seems I remember my days that you know
I've just had my PhD four years ago so I was in campus but I wasn't involved the Middle East seen much because I was in a
different department but 25 years ago when I did my Master's
Degree we taught BYU and the Kennedy Center were aligned with church doctrine
when it came to Israel Israel is the homeland of the Jews I mean every Church
president I pulled it up every single Church president from Joseph Smith to
the to president Nelson has said Israel is the land of the Jews the homeland of the Jews we we have this
doctrinal position that Israel is the homeland of the Jews that's what we're built on the Jews will return including
the the Gathering you know that's the state of Israel we have all of these
positions and so 30 25 years ago it was that was the position that's what you
were taught as a middle eastern study student it was hard to be anti-israel on campus it was hard to Advocate not that
that was right but it was hard to advocate for Palestine on campus you
couldn't even say it and so now it seems to me that there is a flip and I've had
some personal encounters with people and I'm I'm not going to name names but I've had encounters with faculty where you
know you know my positions and when I started you know tried to start a dialogue it was sh down quickly you know
you can't even though I'm of Palestinian Origins yeah well they know better than
you Jabra come on they know better than me exactly exactly they we know better
than you and and here is with all due respect to people who have that opinion
not I hope I don't come come across as arrogant because trust me I value all
opinions but by the time I graduated from
High School I would say my second year in college I knew 10 times more than any
Middle Eastern studies Professor on campus I know the three languages of the region I read them I speak them I lived
33 years of my life in the region I know what hell people think so for someone to condescend to me and tell me oh I don't
want to listen to you because I know better that irritates me I'm willing to listen to people I I respect their
opinions of course yeah and believe me I changed my positions on so many things
including Israel MH but for someone to come and condescend to me that that's
unacceptable and so I've met with with many of the faculty and I can tell that they've created maybe an environment in
the classroom where all anti-israel like even advocating for Israel advocating
for the return of the Jews advocating for Israel as a homeland of the Jews
have been vilified and have any there's a book by
BYU at BYU my friend Jason olon I mean if you read his Memoir the burning book
and he talks about his years at BYU at the Kennedy School at the Kennedy Center
and he talks about how you know he couldn't even say two words for Israel
in a classroom and he felt shut down and he felt alienated and I think that continues I've had I've I've talked to
people people I've known for for many years and you know who have had the
Kennedy Center experience and it seems like the atmosphere has flipped and and
that's was obvious when they invited hany to give this talk there was no push
back against the narrative but they have they have also not invited anyone you
know representing the Israeli point of view to to talk at the caned Center like
since 710 happened imagine this is a momentous event in in
history the Kennedy Center to my knowledge has not invited any
pro-israel person to Advocate or to talk about what happened or to present to the
students you know the facts as they are on the ground or the Israeli point of view and when they chose to do something
about the region they invite an unra representative and put it out there in
the program and again hany is doing great work with the soup kitchen feeding
people nothing against that nothing against that at all but the the you know
presentation the that that one or two slides about about the situation in Gaza
no push back nobody has been invited from the Israeli side and the church and
the kened center people know many people from you know who can represent and talk about the Israeli side heck we have even
members Church who who live in Israel you know who can come and talk about it
but nobody want unfortunately though it just doesn't surprise me yeah it doesn't
surprise me that that isn't happening what what what needs to be and
this is my point of view the there was I don't know if you've ever watched the Netflix show the crown about Queen
elizabth my wife has watching I have not seen well it's it's it's it's a good lesson in history I watch that I'm a I'm
like a Buffon Imperial British is I love it but there is a scene when the Queen
the queen secret the queen wants a certain secretary now remember this is after the ABD abdication of uh her uncle
if Dad becomes king then she becomes Queen and King Edward is like the spah
now nobody likes him and they've learned the lessons from him and so she wants the secretary so she go to
her you know head of secretaries or something and she says I want this person and he says no there is an order
to this we have to have this person be your secretary and we know you like this person and it's your choice but we
prefer that this and so she says no I've decided and she
starts walking out and he's like you know how the how the abdication
happened and she stands there and she listens he says it started with the small things it started with your
uncle refusing to live at this Palace it started with you and he started
mentioning all of these little things and then you can see the and I hate the
slippery slope but I'm going to use it here you started seeing the slippery slope towards the abdication and towards
collaborating even with Hitler and that's when she changes her mind and she starts following the the protocol and I
think an elder Holland gave a great talk a few years ago about this about BYU and
what's happening and it was rough for some to hear but the r starts with the
small things so now we're having the head you know someone from anra speaking campus nothing against honey it's just
anra then you start having you know I don't know queers for Palestine on
campus then you start having the lgbtq you know presenting at the Kennedy
Center or whatever and it it will just go into a direction that does not align
with what the church wants and what the church doesn't want to see and that is
that is the problem students are at the kenes center especially Middle Eastern studies students are there to understand
the Middle East and you can't teach them about the Middle East without presenting both points of view equally and as
strongly as possible fine you want hany there standing there talking about gaza's the biggest prison on Earth then
let's have someone from the Israeli side saying well if it was this big prison on
Earth how where did they get the resources to build hundreds of kilometers of tunnels under
Gaza here are videos that show how Gaza as a you know this amazing place to live
where did they get the resources for that how about the tens of thousands of Gins who came to work in Israel for
amazing salaries how about you know the Hamas going after the Gaza the Israelis who
actually were pro peace and you know who helped them who took their families to
hospital we need to hear both opinions true education doesn't happen when you
go into a silo and shut down the opposite opinion and I feel I feel
that's what's happening and let me having said all of that let me say this
many of the people at the kid Center again come from a good place they come from a gospel oriented place we need to
love people we need I I'm totally aligned with that but what's not
happening is I feel is that they've allowed themselves to be biased to one
side and teaching only one point of view well they're they're a part of Academia
and that is the almost the default official position yeah exactly it's it
becomes once education becomes ideological once ideology gets into it
and I know I'm not saying we can be objective 100% but there are ways for us to strive
towards objectivity and you know minimize the impact of our own
subjectivity and we do that by going to the places and listening to the people we do not want to listen to and you know
listening to the things and opinions no matter how hurtful they are of the the
other if we do not do that then we are not providing true education so you know
that's what needs to happen now that's not happening right now I
feel at the Ked Center and unless I hear that they decided to bring in someone to
present the Israeli side the side that they do not like and there are many what
I don't want to happen is for them to bring some from Jewish voice for peace or from J Street or something like that
who is pro Palestinian and say hey yeah basically anti-zionist yeah anti-zionist
we need to people the students at by why you need to hear the Zionist perspective
because the Zionist perspective is a legitimate perspective if they calm down
and you know just listen listen not talk they calm down they will understand it's
a legitimate perspective and it is a perspective that aligns with the gospel to be honest it's well there's always
hope deny it yeah and and and and that's that's the AR I mean we it it's like in
my PhD program I had an amazing program director and I loveed them he's this old
guy he's like Yoda like very revered and that's one thing he taught and he said
you know when we started this program the goal of this program is to
produce Scholars whose views align with the gospel who can go out and they can
look at the research with gospel eyes who can look at you know these things
but you're in the background you have the doctrine of the gospel and that's that's the goal I think it is unless
something has changed of every Department that BYU I mean that's why we started the medical school that medical
school is for example isn't going to be isn't going to be just any medical
school it's going to be it's aligned with the mission of the church aligned with the mission of the church the humanitarian mission of the church you
know what's interesting jobra and and I spoke to a a group once that had uh I'm not going to say which department it was
at BYU but I was there visiting and they had recently changed their mission statement oh and they not only changed
their mission statement but they in in in the floors they didn't have the whole building but the floors that they were
on and occupying within the building they changed all of the paintings and and things that were up on the wall to
gospel centered and this is not you know this is not the religion department yeah right there's pictures of Christ and and
their mission their mission statement has the words Jesus Christ in it yes what's interesting you go through all
the mission statements of the Departments and the colleges most of them don't do that yeah ex they don't
have that even in their mission statement I I think the department of education does and I now I'm kicking
myself in the head because I should know it but I think the Department of Education is very focused on the gospel
and the church's Mission but yeah I mean my view has always been the gospel isn't
just something we do at church it's an essential part of our identity and being
and it needs to be at the center of everything we do everything your daily job how you interact with your neighbors
how you present in the world how you do anything and everything because BYU is
and I know this is a cliche and I apologize to your audience but it is the Lord's Church it is the Lord's church
and so people at the Lord's Church need to look at things from the Lord's point
of view so we take the standard and we look at this presentation at the Kennedy
Center and the Lord would have been happy with you know hann's efforts to
feed and you know the soup kitchen all of that now we should stayed at that but then there was hate expressed lies you
know the perspective basically of a terrorist organization presented in that meeting and I don't think that's a part
of the Gospel that's not that's not what we want people to to learn now you yeah you're get informed
about it but I think in an event like that uh it shouldn't have happened I
wish they controlled like the message a little tighter I wish they looked at those PowerPoints I wish they told him
just talk about the soup kitchen talk about that perspective humanitarian portion of things the humanitarian
portion the portion that aligns with what we do and that part's great yeah and that part is great that part is the
Lord's work that's the part we need to support but you know and but him being a
part of anra putting that in the program then presenting the the anras
perspective on the Gaza history that is controversial and not needed and
shouldn't happen at BYU and now I mean now that it's out I feel it's the
obligation of the kenned center to go out and say well we're going to bring in someone who is a Zionist and we need to
have the students listen to the desist perspective why why does Israel exist
what's the background what why are the things that were told about Gaza not
accurate I mean hopefully someone will see the show and do something about it but I I I'm not going to hold my
breath you know so let me tell you this snugget here so right after 710 me and
my friend Jason uh went to BYU Hawaii and we did we did a seminar there for
the students you know peacemakers wanted it was amazing the students received it
very well we we had all perspectives discussed and it was an amazing amazing
presentation but so far it hasn't been posted online it's been over a year and
it hasn't been posted and we were told it will never be posted because I don't know why so yeah so so there you go I
know why but so but it's fine I understand that
and and I really do it was beneficial to those Souls who came in I feel it did it
impacted them it helped them understand it's sad J it's still sad it's
sad that that that an academic cloud and you know you know
it's you doesn't allow this to shine out and be bright and and come out
you it is an biased it's it's very biased it's not leaning toward gospel
principles and Doctrine as you say and it's it's academ to me it's not
acceptable I I don't it's not acceptable here is here is another thing that I hope administrators you know at the
church in BYU recognize that you look at the anti-Semitism on campus that is rk12
you know which has been the bane of my existence this last 13 months so you
look at it and you look at the history of it and it's really interesting because the roots of it
all of the leaders of the current anti-semitic demonstrations on campus
all of them were educated in Middle Eastern studies departments in those universities whether it's Yale or
Harvard or Colombia especially Colombia it all started at Middle Eastern studies
departments so we do not want the Middle Eastern studies department at BYU which
I believe is a very important department I believe we have this theological
religious tie to the land of Israel even to the Palestinians and and to the whole
region and we need those students I mean we need Arabic studies we need Hebrew studies we need people who know the
culture and the history of the region because these people if and I know I'm
right I mean look at all the immigration of Arabs and Muslims to Europe and North
America the Berlin the the equivalent of a Berlin wall has fallen now we have access to these millions of people teach
the gospel to and that's why we need the Middle Eastern studies department at BYU
sure absolutely if I had any say you know in with BYU funding I would double
the funding of the Middle Eastern studies Department because you can't believe how much we need you know people
who understand Middle Eastern culture and languages we need them desperately in the church especially but we can
cannot produce indoctrinated biased students out of that department we have
to produce people with balanced point of views points of view and opinions that's
what we need so that we can go to the region and love all the people there and spread the gospel there that's why we
need middle Easter studies department at BYU it is crucial to the mission of the church I believe but and that's why it's
sad to me that's why I'm here with you talking about this it's because they are important but with the with the current
situation we can't have it again I refer you to the burning book Jason Olson's Memoir that that's the part of the book
that made me the saddest is how he felt at BYU how he felt sitting in a middle
eastern history or something class at BYU and being shut down and his Zionism
not acknowledged and people basically shutting him down and so we that needs
to change that needs to change yeah all right let's move on to uh to the
universities here real quick yeah last year we saw really what is the right word I I
mean to me it's pathetic pathetic demonstrations uh from students
organized by faculty Administration yes uh on the campuses we saw this at
Colombia Northwestern UCLA all over the place and and uh um you know to the
point where it was it kind of comes down to this right when you see some of these protests it's
you will agree with us or else or else right it it is a bullying tactic it's
not just hey I've got a different opinion here and I want to express it yeah right it is a bully tactic so that
to the point that a number of these things were illegal what they were doing
uh a number of the campuses would not allow the Jewish students to go in and and test they wouldn't allow all
students at some universities to go in and test and and that's the r there yeah I mean it was and and it was done you
have to say at these universities that the administration that the presidents were at least somewhat complicit
absolutely and in this because why because they share the ideology they do
they do and and here is the thing from a legal perspect perspective and I looked
at it I I spent the last couple of weeks looking at at the law and the you know
first amendment yes on campus you can express anti-semitic opinions but but
here's the big but the time and Manner and place of those expressions can be
restricted especially if it harasses students and harassment in this case is
defined legally as as if it prevents students from accessing classrooms from
accessing tests the administrators have full Authority and control once it
devolves into that to do something to stop it the Constitution gives you the
freedom of speech but it doesn't give you the freedom to harass and intimidate I mean there is a Supreme Court case
about burning crosses or something campus and if you burn a cross that's
harassment that's you know you're threatening and to the Jewish students when you say from The River To The Sea
and when you talk talk about like some professors did October 7th was glorious
and it was brilliant and all of that that's telling that's signaling to the students that we have violent intentions
that we do not value your life as a Jew well and it it it's placing some people
above others immediately right because if you're able to if you're not able to bird a cross exactly which is going to
be against African-Americans yeah right then all then then but then you can go and harass Jews exactly right it's like
wait why why is one class protected and the other not and the other not protected yeah I know and and there is
video evidence of the pro Palestine you know Pro Hamas students doing these
things and nothing actually a video I don't know if you've heard of sh D he's
a professor a Jewish professor at Colombia he posts he's believe it or not he's got suspended recently by the
univers by University administrator and he has these videos basically all the time and it shows Pro
Hamas you know demonstrators blocking Jewish students from accessing buildings
there is the famous video from the very beginning when they surrounded the
community the building the library building where Jewish students were meeting and basically imprisoned them
there I mean there is all kinds of evidence and then you had this University presidents showing up in
Congress and just completely pathetic performance that day
because if they knew their constitution well if they knew you know how freedom of speech Works especially freedom of
speech I mean these are academics for goodness sake freedom of speech is their business and it's not it's not just a
freedom of speech speech issue right and that is a big deal and that's what they kept saying hey there's fre speech
there's fre what about the students what about the beyond the freedom of speech
issues how are you help yeah they have a duty of care to the students too I understand I hear you
on this but even even like they were pathetic on the freedom of speech issues and the duty of care yes which yeah so
it's it's really interesting to me how it works but as you said it's because I believe the University of presidents are
ideologically aligned with this whole anti-colonial you know oppress oppressor
versus oppressed narrative that they do not care about their Jewish students they do not and I don't know if you've
seen this but there were even someone took screenshots while sitting in a
court like a university administrator texting a university president and there were texts you know like from this
University administrators saying as much telling the university presidents that
well basically we don't care about the Jewish students I I mean even Chuck Schumer last week which I thought was
just blew my mind because he Prides himself as being Schumer you know which in Hebrew means Guardian he's like I'm
the guardian of Israel and Jews and all of that he sends this email to
University administrators and he says the problem your problem is just with a few Republicans
and just you know lay low and it will pass over which I thought was
fascinating because here you are you're a senate majority leader you have a duty
to all Americans regardless of whether they are Republican Democrats you know I
don't know whatever they are they are American and you basically say no I'm
going to help you only if you're a Democrat it was it's just fascinating and hopefully
hopefully I'm I'm really hopeful about the next four years that all of this you know nonsense will end we will see the
back of it and we will get some some reason back on campus hopefully yeah I I
hope that's true the the only issue is I think you might see a a clamping down of
the protest which we seem to have already seen this year right the starting this school year you don't see the same problem so far not as much so
far yeah right but uh I think beyond that the problem is as
I said on a podcast a couple days ago it's in these
institutions like like higher education there is a complete
infiltration of a certain ideology absolutely that that is a a a a a hard
leftist Marxist type of ideology that divides everything into oppressor and op press
and so the colonialism immediately through that worldview says Israel bad
Palestinians good exactly and and to root that out I don't know how that's
possible you fix the Middle Eastern studies Department you hire you know
specifically for the whole Israel Palestine you hire people representing both ends of the spectrum I mean you
hire people who are Avid zionists you hire people who are Avid you know
whatever Palestinian prop Palestinian and you have the students
get both perspectives and you teach the students critical thinking skills how to evaluate arguments how to study H how to
study those arguments how to debate them and you leave the students and again this is a gospel principle agency you
leave it to the agency of the student to decide but you you give them the data
you give them the critical thinking skills you at the only thing you indoctrinate people in is critical
thinking I think if you Indo indoctrination is only good if you indoctrinate people to critically think
because then ironically you prevent bad indoctrination from ever happening if
you're teaching people to look at both sides if you're teaching people to evaluate arguments if you're teaching
people about logical fallacies about cognitive biases of how humans think
then you have inoculated them against what I call mind
viruses which is you know basically that whole Colonial argument of oppressor
versus it's critical theory not critical thinking yeah and it's it's it's being
taught what to think and not how to think exactly the taught what to think
and not how to think and and that is the critical difference what to think is
obsolete you know why because we have now something called Ai and AI can do
all the thinking for us if we let it right but AI sometimes will give you
nonsense answers and nonsense arguments and if we know how to think AI will
never Prevail against us and that's what's missing you know that's what's missing now this
has also infiltrated the k to2 space yes this anti-semitic point of view here and
there an article out by Abigail shrier I think it was October 31st that came out with Barry Weiss's free Free Press yeah
and uh it really goes into some extensive things it's very concerning did you watch the same type of ideology
which says this is what the kids must think we're not going to teach them how to think and what's scary here is that
this is just another example in the kada 12 space of we don't we are going to
indoctrinate and we don't care what people think and they come out and blatantly say this yes we're going to do
it in secret we're going to tell you how these kids how to think and she gives the one of the examples I think she
gives is of uh the ethnic studies program in California now this is something that I happen to have studied
extensively there were I think it was 1300 Pages wow of this curriculum I went
through all 1300 Pages a few years ago when they were first putting this out
and you know she's writes in there that it's uh that it's been hijacked but it
was that was the original purpose of ethnic studies to begin with right it wasn't hijacked for anti semitism in
fact on the California floor in with a congress H they don't call them congressmen or women they call them
assembly men and women but they uh they debated over this and the
original the original uh suggested curriculum
actually had blatant very blatant anti-Semitism in it I'm sure within the
ethnic studies right and they pulled that part out because of the Jewish community in California that was
outraged by it and because of one one assemblyman that got up and really
hammered it really hard but outside of that the ethnic studies program and curriculum as in every state is designed
specifically on the on on the on critical theory it's designed specifically on oppressor ressed EXA all
it is yeah this is being used as was intended for those that
actually put the curriculum together for anti-Semitism yeah yeah I I and I read
that and it's so the roots of that the roots of that and there is a great book
called debunking Howard Zin I forgot the name of the author but all of this all
of this starts with Howard Zen who I I believe I don't need to introduce your
your listeners to but howsen wrote uh people's History of the United States
and he applied that whole oppressor oppressed framework to American history
and you know it's uh we don't have the time to talk about all the fallacies and
biases and in that book and how it presents American history out of context
really but that where all of this Starts Now ironically Howard Zen was a Jew and
that whole framework that was so you know I think brilliantly applied by him
I I read him I read all of his books I think it was applied by him on American
history and now then he expanded it his followers expanded it so there is
people's history books now about everything American Sports you know you
have people's history for everything and the whole world now like all history
departments all K12 history programs they follow that same framework and
that's what implanted this this whole framework in in kids as mine so it's
it's hard for me like nowadays the irony of it is I I mean except for a couple of
nephews of mine hard to find an American kid who knows history who knows the
history of this country who knows like you you talk about Columbus and Columbus
is an oppressor Columbus only the bad things about Columbus are mentioned ER
you talk about uh you know almost every single American president that framework
is applied to them so it's it's a disaster and again the reason this
happened is because whoever is in charge of devising the curriculum basically chose to follow
ideology and they stuck with like this one argument with one framework they
didn't allow anyone else to come in and you know present an opposing framework
and let the students decide they're giving one and to be honest it becomes
boring to students it makes them pessimistic it makes them look at look
down at the world look down at the country it's it's gives them this pessimistic view
about the Free World the Western world uh Western culture Western ideas it it
depresses them there is this trend now where you have students in these ethnic
studies departments and you know in general in Humanities even at
BYU who are looking at the
totalitarian cultures of the East and preferring them and you know making
those their Frameworks and they are shying away from Western culture shying away from Western logic and ideas and
value those totalitarian Eastern cultures above Western culture it is a
problem I mean at I keep telling this to my wife I after many after Decades of
thinking about this I've decided colonialism wasn't bad for the colonized
it really wasn't and and this might offend some of your viewers and listeners but I can I mean I look at my
own family history you know my family ancestor comes from the small village
you know and the holy land and they probably would have stayed as farmers
and stone quarry workers forever but because of the British system because of
British colonialism they managed to learn English they managed to go to universities they became lawyers and
professors and you know because they had the British in the region unfortunately
for not too long and but because of that British influence they managed to rise
and develop themselves and I look at countries where there has been like you
look at Saudi Arabia for example Saudi Arabia was never colonized never and you
look at at them yes they have money yes they have these tall buildings and fancy cities but because they've never been
open to Western ideas U they haven't they haven't
managed to do much with all of their wealth they are if when oil goes away
they will sink in into poverty and ignorance you look at their Workforce
they still haven't been able to like there are millions of Saudis but they
still import workers from overseas to do everything else for them they can't
innovate on their own they can't create anything on their own they they just haven't been able to develop as fast
whereas you look at the United Arab Emirates for example and they had a short history with colonialism where
they had the British there for for a period of time or even look at the Iraqis before Saddam they managed I mean
until Saddam Iraq was one of the most cultur and Lebanon the most culturally
vibrant places Lebanon definitely Lebanon was the Switzerland
of the Middle East because of the French influence right it's it's when when cultures mix and and you know
colonialism was the kick in the behind that you know Arab Middle Eastern
Eastern culture in general needed to progress you look even at India you look
at Singapore you look at Hong Kong places were you know were colonized for
hundreds of years and you know Singapore is the part of the Asian tigers they are an industrial power India is you know
superpower a nuclear power they have a vibrant economy they are the ones where we get all these computer Engineers Etc
you look at these places that were colonized and they are somewhere in the world today colonialism wasn't bad now
here's the thing that Arabs middle Easter everyone need to remember you know what's the biggest colonialist force in history
more even than the Romans it's called the Muslims the Islamic the Islamic
empire the Ottoman Empire the well no no no no before that you're talking about
just the religious Empire empire yeah you talk about Islam it came out of Arabia
colonized every single place in the Middle East right now was colonized by Muslims if you look at every single Arab
country below the I don't know what uh what long line of longitude but if you
look at Saudi except for Saudi and the Arabian Peninsula every single Arab
country was colonized by Muslims they are colonized they were colonized they you you look at the
Balkans they were colonized by the Muslims Greece was at some point you know under otoman influence Spain Spain
yeah exactly they were a colonial power yet no one in these you know schools of
history or ethnic studies talks about Islam as a colonial power but Islam was
a colonial power and they were the oppressor and they oppressed people and
they were oppressed and ironically they oppressed were the Spanish and the Portuguese and the Greeks and all of
these people and so it's that whole framework of oppressor and oppressed and
just saying the West is the oppressor and you know the poor Eastern world you
know the there is accidentalism which is you know people in the ocient were were
oppressed and we are the oppressors is a completely false narrative it it's it's
the way of the world this is how history evolved and unfolded and happened but
now as we're saying all of this this indoctrination is coming down to our kids our grand coming down to the kids
and not from us but we're putting them into a system that has been overhauled with these ideas from Howard Zin and
others from the Frankfurt School etc etc yeah here's a couple things from uh Abigail shri's uh uh article I want I
just want to quote here it says in August so this is just this past August right right the beginning of the school
year the second largest teachers union chapter in the country uh where there
are more than 35,000 members of the United teachers of Los Angeles okay they met at the Bon Venture hotel in LA to to
discuss how to turn the K to2 students against Israel in front of a
PowerPoint that read specifically I quote how to be a teacher and an
organizer yeah and not get fired exactly okay now by the way I read as I said
those 1300 Pages it was it was brutal to go through it but I read those 1300
pages and there were dozens dozens of examples of how to organize the students into
protests exactly inside the curriculum of the ethnic studies how to go to the
buses how to go to the libraries across the street how to go back to your
parents yeah and this is this is what I'm talking about this is how you
manufacture the people who will go to campus and be the anti-semites and rise
and disrupt and intimidate it is it is really right out of how Communists
basically taught people communist and socialist organizations it is very very very
similar to how they teach people to revolt against thetion yes and were're they are and I
watched by the way I watched the whole meeting I watched the video of the whole meeting and it
was you know it was it was brutal in your words it was brutal it's so one of
the professors actually one of the not Professor teachers says yeah so we send
we have the kids go there and then we show up and we say oh we're showing up to the same meeting and make it look
like it's accidental or it just happened so that we don't get fired and and
that's that's basically where I was like wow okay this is right out of a
communist Playbook and believe me back in the Middle East I was a part of a student unions I was taught how to
organize how to go on demonstrations against the government and against the university so I know how this works and
I was like wow this has moved right from the Middle East down to American schools
and it's so wrong as a teacher that is not your job your job is not to be a
revolutionary organizer or a community organizer or whatever when you're in that classroom you you have to teach the
students how to think you have to work with them you have a duty of care to
them you not involve them in unproductive activities these are
unproductive activities that contribute zero to their education and yet that's
what the teachers unions is doing I'm not against unions per se because I
believe you know workers need to organize to negotiate and to have a
better working environment and all of that so much good has come out of unionism but so much bad has come out of
unionism and to be honest I'm in my older age I'm deciding the bad is more
than the good and we shouldn't have unions and anything anymore but
especially in education that's that's government education that's what I'm
mostly against is you to have unions in a tax funded organization from the
citizens but only have those unions representing a small group of people
exactly and that's small small uh swath of political issues and that is the
point that's the nailing in the Cuffin because as a someone who receives taxes
you know who's a beneficiary of taxes you're supposed to represent everyone and not be prejudiced in Behavior or
your duty is to work for everyone if you're working in a public
position you are employed by the taxpayer so that's why your ideology should have
no place in you know or affect the way you work in any way you have to try and
be as neutral as possible in your public position now if you running your own
school you can go ahead and start your own school and teach people critical race Theory or teach them the Frankfurt
School or whatever the Constitution gives you that this is a free country fine but when you're on the public d
time you should not be biased you should
not represent an ideology you stick to you know a neutral curriculum and you
teach it and that's what you should do and that's the that's the biggest problem I have with teachers unions
right now yeah yeah it's well they they're just so politicized they just
end up being so politicized they've got money they've got power they end up being politicized and I mean the largest
labor union in the country is a teachers union the na and they are radicals in fact I would call them a cult they are
absolute extremists and uh and and teach the same type of thing I know but you know a Day
of Reckoning is coming I think you know again you know we have the Trump
Administration coming in he's talking about gutting the Department of Education which I hope he does it the
right way because they still offer some Services I mean as a as a federal government as a country that's you know
we're a federal government we need some central power to coordinate certain
things but I hope it's it's gutted it's reorganized in a way that facilitates
that role but then ends this whole indoctrination ends the influence of the
curriculum issues that are the problem and the unions yeah yeah unions and curriculum we need I mean they've talked
what was it called The Common Core a few years ago during the Bush Administration and I thought at the time
that wasn't a bad thing especially if we're aiming to produce students who are
good in stem because to to produce stem students you need some federal backbone to help you
and with Common Court we could have controlled through a Department of Education what the students are studying
you know we teach them American history we teach them to be proud Americans I mean that's what Theodore Roosevelt one
of my heroes talked about it's that's the role of schools we need to make
these schools a Melting Pot where you become an American you understand your Constitution you you are proud of the
government you are supportive of the you understand your rights you understand the Bill of Rights that's the purpose of
Education you speak English you can read and write well in English and now we have the challenge of of producing you
know stem good stem students you know science technology engineering and math
students these are the challenges we have we need to move our curriculum towards you know focusing on that and
none of the nonsense that's being taught you know the anti-American the
anti-American American schools should never like should never teach
anti-American stuff I mean since this whole thing starts and this is this is one thing Greg that
has annoyed me so much so I look at these demonstrations in American
campuses and I see Arab American students people who kids who were born here educated in schools here who should
be American Heart and Soul they are burning the American flag they're chanting death to America and that's
been a a puzzle for me how did that happen we can't just say that the home
environment influenced that because those kids spend most of their time in schools so the problem must have come
from those schools those schools have not Americanized them and that's what
the schools need to go back to ER Ed hirs I don't know if you know him I'm a big fan of his work Ed hirs was big on
producing students who are American who who understand Western culture and
Western ideals and Western freedoms and unfortunately like I'm sad to say like I
wanted to do my PhD dissertation on it but I couldn't find anyone to help me at BYU with that but here's the thing and
again the circumstance was wasn't right okay but we need we we need our schools
we need our schools to be producing American students because this is the
most amazing greatest it's not perfect I'll always say that but this is the
most amazing greatest wonderful country to be honest with you even if I lived
under Jim Crow and I say this I would still say this is the greatest one most
wonderful beautiful country in the world there's no place like America I mean that's what we need the
students in schools to get is that this is this is we have the greatest
democracy we have the greatest Constitution we have the greatest laws we have the greatest opportunities and here is the
history that backs this up but what we get is we get people who didn't great
the founding fathers I'm like this doesn't matter you look at their Vision
250 260 years ago they came up with this legal framework they started a country
from scratch with a legal framework that have withstood the ages that have stood
world wars that have withstood civil wars that have evolved that serves us today these were people who I believe
were inspired by God I don't care what their personal beliefs were I care about
them developing this framework developing you know the foundations of this great country and a
vision that with stod you look at any other country on Earth we they don't
have that even the British don't have that even the British don't have have as great of a country as we do no no one
has especially the the strength of the first and second amendments no nobody does Nobody Does it these documents are
brilliant these documents are brilliant and I'm not saying this just because I'm
I I studied these things I've read them I've you know I don't want to come come
across as a bragger but when I Was preparing for my citizenship test I went to the extreme of reading one by
biography for each president of the United States wow for some I've read several but and that's where you came up
with Teddy Roosevelt as your hero oh totally oh I love Teddy Roosevelt George Washington is my number one Teddy
Roosevelt is number two I mean when I went to u to what George Washington
Martha vineard no George Washington's house I literally teared up I cried I I
mean I rever George Washington but Teddy Roosevelt the man I read probably two
dozen books about him he's amazing absolutely incredible character yeah I'm
I'm I'm floored by him every time like his talents him as a writer him as a
politician him as a military leader him as a speaker Teddy Roosevelt was an
amazing and accomplished person even as a biologist and a taxidermist I mean the
guy was a legend I don't know what to think about his hunting but fine I I put
it in perspective I mean I'm not a hunter but you know Ted Roosevelt was an
incredible modern person and he he's my hero um I consider myself a Ted
Roosevelt Republican I'm I'm definitely in in that school of thought because i'
of the man I mean he's he's one of my heroes yeah that's great Jabra thanks so
much for all your time on this oh you're wel I hope things can change I hope BYU can open their eyes a little bit more
yeah open the discourse a little bit more there and I hope that the universities you know grab a lesson from
last year I we'll see if they do we'll see I know and and you know BYU is a great University I love and you know the
people there have the best intents they we have great teachers on campus and again the Mist studies Department we
need them they are crucial but yeah they we need we need we need more robust dialogue and we need more robust more
robustness in presenting ideas and and going to the places where we should we
think we shouldn't go we need to find those people who Express opinions we don't like and have them represented we
can't have a you know one-sided dialogue in a an an echo
chamber and celebrate that because that's not what universities need to do all right Jabra thanks again for coming
back and sharing your knowledge with us thank uh we'll definitely have you back on
