'A Thorn In The Flesh'
- Weakness is humility
- Starting with weakness is better than starting with strength
- Recognizing deceivers (The Super Apostles)
- Recognizing our weaknesses is the first step toward strength
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in this episode we learn about a foreign
in the flesh here we go all right in
this Cwic media episode this is part 2
of second Corinthians 8 to 13 in this
episode we're gonna cover chapters 11 12
and 13 we're gonna dip in here to 11 and
remember what's happening here in the
last episode we talked about at the end
how there are these super apostles so to
speak that are arriving in Corinth and
that are teaching some form at least of
Christianity now Paul alludes to the
fact that this is not correct that this
is they're being deceived but it is a
form of Christianity and they're known
as super apostles which goes right along
with Paul's idea of strength and
weakness and remember he's always gonna
refer to himself as being weak and so he
makes this contrast between him being
weak along with the Savior being weak
I'll get to why in a minute and then he
has not just these other apostles so to
speak or other messengers preachers that
are going to Corinth talking about
Christianity but they are super apostles
in other words they're there in strength
and so there is this contrast that he is
putting out there and he wants us to
understand that it's out of the weak
things that great things are made and
that is the theme throughout a number of
his letters and so he talks about his
worried and concerned with the people in
Corinth and he says here in verse 3 of
chapter 11 but I fear lest by any means
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtlety so your minds should be
corrupted from
simplicity that is in Christ remember
simplicity again we're back to plain and
simple things of Nephi and Paul right so
oftentimes the simple things that are of
the gospel the fundamentals of the
gospel they become cloudy they become
very nuanced and complex and someone who
is a super apostle or someone who wants
to be more elite in teaching the gospel
might want to go well beyond the simple
things so that they are in control they
are the gatekeeper of the information of
the knowledge we can see this principle
played out all the time
professionally or in academia or amongst
our friends and family etc there is a
natural lower law proud feeling of
having a greater knowledge than somebody
else but I think it's interesting here
and a good point to bring up at this
time in the history of the church that
Paul is referring to Eve being beguiled
we have moved a little bit I think from
one end to the one end of the spectrum
to the other end of the spectrum on the
Garden of Eden in the story and the
implications of listen make let's use a
better word the interpretations of the
acts of Adam and Eve we have gone from
really a much more of a traditional
Protestant view and Catholic view quite
frankly of Eve especially as being the
first one to partake of the fruit and
therefore as a representative of women
she was in a way the weakest right and
she was the one that was beguiled first
and then she tried to get Adam to
partake as well we've moved from that
end over there where it's much more
negative and the Lord is much more
condemning of them as he discovers this
over to the idea that Adam and Eve knew
exactly what was going on and that it
was a noble and conscious act of
goodness and righteousness for them to
partake of
tree of the knowledge of good and evil
maybe it was I don't know but it seems
to me as we get references in the
scriptures that the prophets and the
apostles here don't interpret it that
simply on one end of the spectrum or the
other in other words Paul here and other
prophets refer to Adam and Eve being
beguiled and cast out into the lone
injury world and certainly Satan had a
role in enticing Adam and Eve to partake
of the fruit so I don't think that we
want to forget that I think we need to
know that there's two ways really to
look at that and they both might be true
in a way it might not be black or white
in this instance but just as a point of
context in your understanding of the
story of Adam and Eve I think it's
important to realize that there are two
sides of this and both might be playing
a part in the actions of the story of
the Garden of Eden
so then Paul gets right back into the
weakness and strengths the big theme
that he typically has and we go down to
verse six here and he says but though I
be rude in speech remember in the last
episode in the last chapter in chapter
10 these super apostles were claiming
and attacking Paul in his character and
his physical appearance right so they're
saying hey he's a small weak sickly dude
and they're mocking him in a sense for
that saying that he hey don't listen to
him he's weak and that his speech and
his writing is very contemptible right
it's a disgrace he's no good at it so
you can imagine again who are these
super apostles well they must feel
pretty good about themselves their
stature probably may be wealth in the
way they're dressed that would show
strength and wealth and power and
more than once
Paul implies that they receive money for
their services and Paul continually says
I will not take
can he help from you I refuse to do that
he makes that contrast we go back and we
can think about the priest craft in the
Book of Mormon that applies here
directly and that it was priests craft
that was going to take the church down
is what they were worried about in the
Book of Mormon and it did but Paul
revels in a sense of this position of
what he calls weakness now we need to be
we need to have a little bit of an
understanding of what he is saying here
as far as weakness coach so I'm gonna
carry throughout this episode kind of
this idea of weak Natal and his
weaknesses but he's again making this
contrast hey I'm weak these super
apostles are strong and basically in
this case for a servant of the Lord
strong is bad and weak is good and down
in 13 here he says for such are false
apostles deceitful workers transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ
right again when we say apostles here we
don't know that they're trying to mimic
specifically the office of an apostle in
the priesthood but rather one that is
sent forth that's what apostle means is
one that is sent out and so it would be
like a preacher or a missionary which is
in a sense kind of why we have the
missionaries and they're called elders
and we also have the Apostles who we
refer to as elders because they are sent
forth they go out but he says hey they
are deceitful workers transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ
so again going back and making this
connection to Eve in the Garden of Eden
that they are in a sense beguiling you
you are like Eve and in the Garden of
Eden and Paul says here look I have
betrothed you as a virgin I'm saying the
church and Corinth to the Lord and
referring back to a woman which is often
what is done in the New Testament and
the Old Testament but especially the New
Testament because it's the woman that is
married to Christ so to speak the church
is the Bride and Jesus Christ is the
bridegroom and so he's saying I've
betrothed you but you are acting
as if you are being beguiled like Eve
was beguiled and then he says here in
verse 14 and no Marvel for Satan himself
is transformed into an angel of light so
in other words look a lot of deceit
comes from those that profess goodness
and in fact that's usually the way it
always works very rarely does an act
come about that is just purely preached
as being evil that's pretty rare right
it always moves in kind of packaged in
light packaged in goodness and
righteousness but inside is something
else and there's an interesting parallel
here to Doctrine and Covenants section
129 right that's where Joseph Smith
talks about if an angel of light ever
comes to you and that there's three
different types one is a resurrected
being and he'll shake your hand and he's
got a physical hand and one is a
messenger from God that has not been
resurrected yet but he won't shake your
hand and one is the third is one who
does not have a body and if you reach
out to shake his hand he will try to
shake your hand but you will feel
nothing that's a direct parallel here to
what he's talking about deceit and
messengers that those that will deceive
are going to try to do everything to go
along with your proofs right they may
try to sway you through it but they're
gonna try to come in the back door and
try to deceive you based on
righteousness or compassion or empathy
or love or justice or whatever good
principle there might be they're gonna
take that package it up around the
deceit and then bring it in and slowly
that then becomes unpackaged so he's
concerned with the people the members of
the church and Corinth that they are
going to be swayed by these arguments by
this straw
that is being shown to them but again
going back through the scriptures and
the prophets weakness is always brought
up as a positive because it produces
humility and that is one of the keys to
seeing a true Messenger of God is
humility and so when he says weakness
throughout hear what he's typically
saying is a sense of humility and that I
recognize I have my shortcomings and at
the beginning of chapter 12 he says he
gives a reference to the third heaven
says it is not expedient for me
doubtless to glory I will come to
visions and revelations of the Lord I
knew a man in Christ above fourteen
years ago whether in the body I cannot
tell or whether out of the body I cannot
tell
God knoweth such an one caught up to the
third heaven and I knew such a man
whether in the body or out of the body I
cannot tell they always say this but God
knoweth how that he was caught up into
paradise and heard unspeakable words
which it is not lawful for man to utter
who else had this vision Joseph Smith
had this vision as they were in section
76 caught up into the third heaven but
again this idea of visions I think that
it's important so that we can help
translate these sayings infer what is
being told to us it's being told a
vision is being told to us in symbolic
language think about when you have
dreams it's very symbolic you may not
even understand what's going on because
you're trying to read it in a temporal
mortal manner a scientific manner of
your normal experience with your normal
conscious experience but a vision is
very different and it's given to us in
symbolism and so one thing to do is when
you're going through the scriptures and
you don't quite understand something and
it's very odd and you can see just a lot
of things that could represent something
else a lot of symbolism in there think
to yourself is this a vision because
sometimes we
try to take things literally and what we
might actually be seeing is something
that is a vision right and maybe the
prophets had a vision and they are
putting this out there and allowing us
through the spirit to try to understand
what was seen think of the book of
Revelation very strange these creatures
all this - what's going on here it
doesn't mean it's literal it means it's
a vision and they always qualify this
with it whether in the body or not I
cannot tell this could be a dream right
it could have been that there was a
dream and that is a way for the Lord to
deliver revelation I've had that
experience and maybe you have - you know
nothing grandiose but I have had that
experience and then in verse 7 Paul gets
back to this theme of weakness and he
says and lest I should be exalted above
measure through the abundance of the
revelations there was given unto me a
thorn in the flesh the messenger of
Satan to buff at me lest I should be
exalted above measure the thorn in the
flesh what is he talking about he's
saying that he is really small in
stature and very sickly and this is a
great weakness for him and he's been to
Corinth already as he's writing this
letter they know Paul and he may be the
exact opposite of what these super
apostles are who may be also very
educated and very eloquent in their
writing and in their speech and Paul is
educated at least theologically but he
doesn't have the same ability perhaps as
an orator or as a writer remember that
it's Mormon and Moroni also who are very
very similar to Paul that talk about
their weakness in writing and as we they
present the Book of Mormon to us in a
sense as they write they say hey if
there are weaknesses in here if there
are mistakes in here it's because we're
weak there they're acknowledging
weakness it's an important thing because
the more you acknowledge your personal
weakness the more you say you are
leaning on a different power and a
different strength not your own that's
an important
thing how do you trust someone that is
leaning on their own strength and so if
they're given their own these weaknesses
that they've got to overcome how are
they going to overcome them how are they
going to work with them well hopefully
they are leaning on the Lord and the
sacrifice of the Lord to work their way
through this and he says lest I should
be exalted above measure in other words
I've been giving these weaknesses to
make sure that I am humble and in verse
8 he says for this thing I besought the
Lord thrice right why three times we've
gone over this before right a couple of
times did you really go over the he
besought the Lord thrice that it might
depart from me so he asked the Lord
throughout his life three times to be
healthy and then he stopped that seems a
little bit odd to me what do you think I
think that's a little odd I think again
what is being done here is that three is
a symbolic number in other words he has
exhausted himself and committed himself
to this and he has not had this taken
away that the Lord sees fit to keep Paul
sickly and weak I think that's what
three means here and I think that's what
three oftentimes means it means
something finalized complete exhausted
and then in verse nine he says what the
Lord told him as he begged him to take
these infirmities away from him he said
he said unto me my grace is sufficient
this is the Lord for thee my grace is
sufficient for thee you don't need to be
healed on this for my strength is made
perfect in weakness that makes a lot of
sense in other words the Lord's strength
is made perfect in Paul's weakness
why because again he has to lean on the
Lord because of this weakness it's not
from him the strength comes from
somewhere else
I think that's a great symbol so to
speak of so many different facets of our
life
where we are given adversity we are
given infirmities we are given an
inability to sometimes be successful
with something and these are all lessons
for us to have greater faith and when we
say faith again it's not belief it's the
understanding that we need to trust in
the Lord in the principles of the gospel
in truth and in his sacrifice is healing
sacrifice and then he actually says then
and maybe this is just because he may
have asked so many times continuing in
verse 9 most gladly therefore will I
rather glory in my infirmities that the
power of Christ may rest upon me in
other words he's resigned himself to say
okay this is the way it's going to be
and now I accept it and I glory in it
because it makes me lean on the Lord
that much more it's a pretty solid
attitude pretty tough to get there but a
pretty solid attitude and he qualifies
it a little bit more than in verse 10
therefore I take pleasure in infirmities
in reproaches in necessities in
persecutions in distress for Christ's
sake for when I am weak then am i strong
how many times do we think about that
that when were weak we are strong in an
important point here is that Paul sees
his weakness he knows what it is in this
case it's his physical infirmities it's
very easy to see it's very easy to
recognize we may have other weaknesses
that are not so easy to recognize that's
a good step to understand that because
once you see that then you can make a
change right then you can perhaps it's a
process of repentance you recognize it
and then you go and you make the change
to it Neal a Maxwell said the following
about this he said it is not an easy
thing to be shown one's weakness
nevertheless this is part of coming into
Christ and it is a vital if painful
part of God's plan of happiness so
that's probably a really good way to
help improve ourselves to progress in
the gospel is by looking at ourselves
and really recognizing what our
weaknesses are and then in one way or
another they will be made strong now
let's talk about that for just a second
here how would that be made strong is
that all of a sudden taken away well
perhaps that's something that through
prayer and effort and maybe change in
behavior it can be changed especially if
we lean on the Lord to make that change
but it can also become strong even if it
is never removed just like with Paul
because it becomes a strength in the
sense that we then in that area lean on
the Lord so Paul with the infirmities he
has to lean on the Lord for his physical
strength and it makes him a stronger
person a more faithful or full of faith
person and with us we may have a
weakness that does eventually change
into something we're personally it
becomes a trait that is a strength for
us if we've leaned on the Lord to get it
there or again like Paul it's never
removed but we still make it a strength
by leaning on the Lord for it and this
is part of what is said in ether right
again Mormon and Moroni very similar to
Paul and this is Moroni who is inserting
himself here into the book of ether here
in chapter 12 verse 37 and he says the
following and because thou has seen thy
weakness thou shalt be made strong so
again this is a re veil ation a
revelation a self resonant revelation
that we can look and have introspection
with our character our behaviors or
habits and say where am i weak and by
the way it might be something that is
perceived by others around us as a
strength but maybe not in the gospel so
that introspection and looking at
ourselves saying where do we have
a weakness if we recognize it then the
Lord can help us in making that a
strength even unto the sitting down in
the place which I have prepared in the
mansions of my father so even though you
have great weaknesses I can help make
them strengths even to the point of
bringing you to exaltation so Paul's
theme here of weak and strong right very
important to understand how these two
work together and how he's comparing
himself and contrasting himself with the
super apostles they're the exact
opposite
they're bringing strength in their
strengths in to their preaching and
exalting themselves through pride maybe
boasting more than likely the way Paul
writes this he implies that they are
boasting of their strengths but then
that doesn't put them in a position of
humility or in a position of relying on
the Lord for his strength and then in
chapter 13 here we get this scripture in
verse 1 that we've heard before it says
this is the third time I am coming to
you in the mouth of two or three
witnesses shall every word be
established so that is a principle that
the Lord in with the gospel in spreading
the gospel in strengthening the Saints
in building a testimony individually we
are to look for more than one witness
and of course that's what we get in the
tagline of the Book of Mormon right
another witness of Jesus Christ so the
Lord is providing additional witnesses
just as he should especially because
we're in a new dispensation we could
call the Doctrine and Covenants another
witness we could call the pearl of great
price another witness we can call each
of the apostles and prophets that we've
had in the restoration in the last days
here additional witnesses so there's not
just one anchor point the Lord's plan is
to provide several if we'll have them to
corroborate truth and to help guide us
in the right direction and then down to
verse four
he brings in the Savior in his weakness
and he says here for though he was
crucified through weakness yet he lived
by the power of God for we also are weak
in him but we shall live with him by the
power of God toward you so how is it
possible that Jesus where the Savior was
weak again what is he saying here what
his weakness really mean it means that
he's relying on a greater power he was
relying on Heavenly Father as well he
gives all glory to heavenly Father he is
humble he has to be humble even Jesus
has to be humble to be the right example
and to be the right type of person to
not only be the Savior but to return to
Heavenly Father again the fluid
hierarchy he is a part of that it is not
just for himself that wouldn't make any
sense he's giving all the glory to
another being to the Father through out
through humility and dedication and
obedience and suffering and how is he
weak because he was made weak completely
as he was incarcerated and crucified and
especially in Gethsemane where all of
the weight of all sufferings and all sin
were laid upon him so that is what Paul
is saying by pointing out that in
Christ's weakness we join him in that
and how would we join in him that in be
weak well we would bring the suffering
of others upon us as well and we would
share that burden and we would serve
others and love others just like the
example of a savior so this ends the
second epistle to the Corinthians or the
second epistle that we have and here
Paul again focuses on this weakness and
this strength and that for us in the
right perspective being weak is a good
thing being weak if we rely on the lord
we will become strong to the point of
being exalted literally becoming strong
and exalted above
where we are and being exalted in the
sense of returning to our Heavenly
Father and to becoming more like him and
that process of going from these
weaknesses to be strengths and being
exalted by God is Faith Hope charity
using your spiritual gifts and through
that love helping those around you out
watching out for false or super apostles
and not being beguiled and finding those
that are humble and look to a higher
power and not to themselves I'll talk to
you next time
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